Critique this play with QQ...

[gergery]

Party Poker $50 MTT No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (10 handed). I was just moved to this table.

saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP2 (t830)
<font color="C00000">Hero (t1140)</font>
<font color="C00000">CO (t850)</font>
Button (t1035)
SB (t1625)
BB (t3185)
UTG (t320)
UTG+1 (t1055)
UTG+2 (t945)
MP1 (t1180)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls t20, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t110</font>, CO calls t110, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t100, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t90.

Flop: (t460) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets t350</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises to t740 (All-In)</font>, SB folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls



Turn: (t1940) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t1940) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1940
<font color="green">Main Pot: t1940 (t1940), between Hero and CO.</font>


What did Hero do? (anyone play it differently)?
What do you think he has?

Results to follow...

-Greg

[ansky451]

in general, i probably would have made a smaller raise preflop so that i wouldnt be so pot committed on the flop. however, given the action, and 2 people calling so much when you had the best hand it seems ok, i dont see how you could get away from this, seems pretty unavoidable, if he has like a9, well, what are you gonna do, bad call, he got lucky, if he has kk aa, good for him, he trapped you.

I cant see you getting away from this on the flop, dont think you made such a huge mistake.

[3rdEye]

My guess:

Hero has either A9s, K9s, 88, or TJ of diamonds. Maybe 98, and MAYBE 99.

[sdplayerb]

Play all seems fine. You had to call.
He could have anything from a flush draw to an openended str draw to an 8.

But this is pretty straightforward.

[dogmeat]

I think you are in a bad spot to call the all-in. You don't know the players since just sat down, but would an average player get all-in without 88/89/9T? He does not quite have enough to shut you out (ruin you odds) on a draw, but with the other callers to the flop there is a good chance somebody has face cards for a draw, or two diamonds, maybe even the raiser who can put you on a big pair or AK. I don't want to get out of the tournament on this hand, the only hand you can beat is TT or JJ. I muck.

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[betgo]

You are pretty well pot-committed by the point you are reraised. You have a chance and you can't fold and keep your 300 chips.

[DemonDeac Holding Rockets]

Being Party Poker. It wouldn't surprise me if he had JJ and spiked it on the turn. That would suck. Other than that i would have to put him on AKd probably. So if he had any of those two hands at the flop, you are right for calling. Hopefully this idiot didn't play A9 or 89 for that matter.

[gergery]

He had AT diamonds. My hand held up.

I ruled out AA/KK with no preflop raise and figured there were many draws that might reraise me that I was ahead of, since this was still very early in the tourney when the bozo’s are still here. I was most concerned about him having a 9, but figured both flush and straightdraws were quite likely. At minimum, a call risks 390 to win 1550 which is 4:1 so I need to be pretty darn sure I’m behind to fold this.

-Greg

[SossMan]

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My guess:

Hero has either A9s, K9s, 88, or TJ of diamonds. Maybe 98, and MAYBE 99.

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don't look under your bed...I'm quite sure there are monsters under there.

[esbesb]

I guess he has the TJ of diamonds or the AK of diamonds.

[SossMan]

It's early in an online tournament. The opponent could have as little as two cards and put the hero on the "obvious AK" and be trying to push him out w/ an underpair, A8, diamond draw, TJ (which is effectively a gutshot), plus TT/JJ.

I think this hand is pretty standard. I might have raised a little less preflop, something like t80 or t90, but t110 isn't too much of an overbet.
The flop bet is pretty standard, and you should be loving to get all your chips in w/ an overpair in this situation. A fold would be pretty terrible, IMO.

[drewjustdrew]

Hero has QQ. He said so in the initial post!!

In any event, hero is pot committed and should call all-in bet. There is a chance opponent is on draw or has TT or JJ. With the money already in the pot, worth calling.

If hero is going to call an all-in, he may want to consider going all-in and giving the draw something to think about.

[SossMan]

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If hero is going to call an all-in, he may want to consider going all-in and giving the draw something to think about.


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Why wouldn't you want to get all your chips in against a draw? 8 outs twice is about 68-32. If he has an overcard w/ the flush draw, then the opponent has 11 outs twice and about a 58-42 fav. With all the overlay included, I would take the chips all day long.

[ron dogg]

The flop has too many draws someone might be pushing for you to fold in this spot for that many more chips. BTW, I don't like the 5 1/2x out of position in this spot. You are usually only going to be called by someone with position on you and QQ can make itself very tough to play when the flop comes down. I'd make it 3x the BB and play from there. In any event, my chips go into the middle here. Hope it worked out for you.

R