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Jimbo
09-02-2004, 10:41 PM
listening to our commander in chief, President Bush? He is so inspiring! It makes me feel secure that he is in office and likely will be for four more years.

back to the speech..........

Jimbo

Mano
09-02-2004, 11:26 PM
I truley wish that I had the same feelings. Unfortunately, when he speaks publicly I usually get very depressed, and fear that we are being led by someone not up to the job. Oh well, to each his own.

vulturesrow
09-02-2004, 11:35 PM
Jimbo,

I thought he started off a little slow and got much better. I think he did well.

eLROY
09-02-2004, 11:35 PM
I understand people like this speech. It is the same type of speech that Clinton gave. But me, I have to try very hard like a deaf person trying to tell whether the music is good. Having done so, I think it could have been slightly more concise, faintly less rambling, and perhaps begging (he used one of those rising-pitch-then-low lines). He touched some issues in two different places, which were either already known in his campaign, or weren't first-row concerns. He also could have kept the cadence a little quicker, when people applauded his one-liners. I think this speech was average, whereas I thought Kerry's speech was bad. I think it was a better night than Kerry's final night, and was more on par with Kerry's first or second night. I agree with vulturesrow that Bush started out slow, and then got pretty good for some stretches.

jokerswild
09-03-2004, 01:39 AM
What a sycophantic homo thread. I'm glad that you feel safe. 51% of New Yorkers believe that Bush knew about 9/11 prior to the act and did nothing to stop it.

I bet that it makes you feel safe when rich kids snort cocaine. I bet that it makes you feel safe when rich kids avoid combat. I bet that it makes you feel safe when the IMF warns the US Government that it is going broke.
I know what makes you feel most safe; it's dividends paid on investments tied to the war machine.

vulturesrow
09-03-2004, 01:51 AM
You know what makes me feel safe? Knowing that no one takes you seriously at all.

MMMMMM
09-03-2004, 02:00 AM
"What a sycophantic homo thread."

Glad to see your true feelings finally coming out, Jokerswild. I'll remember this next time you accuse someone of homophobia or racism.


"I'm glad that you feel safe. 51% of New Yorkers believe that Bush knew about 9/11 prior to the act and did nothing to stop it."

Could this be one reason David Steele feels New York is one of the "smart states"?


I bet that it makes you feel safe when rich kids snort cocaine. I bet that it makes you feel safe when rich kids avoid combat. I bet that it makes you feel safe when the IMF warns the US Government that it is going broke. I know what makes you feel most safe; it's dividends paid on investments tied to the war machine."

Well you did make a fine recommendation a while back on Halliburton, Jokerswild. Maybe you have missed your true professional calling. There's still yet time, you know. And just imagine how well Halliburton might do if Iran really does turn out to be next in line! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cyrus
09-03-2004, 02:12 AM
I flash back to some big and scary monster in a B-movie, that's ultimately stupid and goes down in flames. Only this time, it's not a drive-in and the stupid, scary monster has got us all in tow.

Goosebumps. You said it.

GWB
09-03-2004, 05:46 AM
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You know what makes me feel safe? Knowing that no one takes you seriously at all.

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Oh, we take jokerswild seriously. I mean we got that special Secret Service detail on the job. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

GWB
09-03-2004, 06:16 AM
Did you notice I discussed many important issues. Education, the economy, health care, predatory legal practices,....

I was not afraid to talk about the unborn babies and defending marriage against activist judges as well.

Stu Pidasso
09-03-2004, 06:30 AM
Domestic record

No Child Left Behind Act -- "America's schools are getting better."


Medicare strengthened.


"Largest tax relief in a generation."


Economy is growing and creating jobs.


Home ownership "at an all-time high."


Tripled funding for homeland security.


Trained 500,000 first responders.


Reforming and strengthening intelligence services.


Transforming the military.

Economic Agenda

Simplify tax code.


Make tax relief permanent.


Reduce dependency on foreign energy sources.


Restrain federal spending.


Level playing field for American goods abroad.


Expand trade.


Create "opportunity zones" to attract businesses, boost housing and improve job training in depressed areas.

Education Agenda

Double the number of people served by primary job training program.


Increase funding for community colleges.


Fund early intervention programs for students at risk.


Require rigorous high school graduation exam.


Expand Pell grants for low- and middle-income college students.

Health Care Agenda

Allow small businesses access to group medical insurance rates.


Create small-business tax credit for health savings accounts.


Provide help to low-income people for such accounts.


Increase number of community and rural health centers.


Reform medical liability laws.


Keep health decisions out of bureaucratic hands.


Step up enrollment of eligible children in federal health insurance program.

Social Agenda

Reform labor laws to offer comp time and flextime.


7 million more affordable homes in next 10 years.


Allow workers to invest portion of payroll taxes in personal retirement accounts.

Social policies

Supports welfare reform that requires work and strengthens family.


"We must make a place for the unborn child."


Supports federal help to religious charities.


Supports protection of marriage as union of man and woman.


Will continue to appoint strict constructionists to federal bench.

Anti-terrorism strategy

Staying on offensive by striking terrorists abroad.


Working to advance liberty in Middle East.


"Confront threats to America before it is too late."


"Wisest use of American strength is to advance freedom."

Anti-Terrorism Results

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia capturing terrorist leaders.


Taliban defeated in Afghanistan and democracy taking hold.


Iraq liberated and democratic outlook hopeful.


Libya dismantling nuclear weapons programs.


Three-quarters of key al Qaeda members and associates detained or killed.

Thanking Military

"Because of you, the world is more just and will be more peaceful."

Thanking Allies

"America is grateful, and America will not forget."

Messages for the Future

"We have reached a time for hope."


"This young century will be liberty's century."


"By promoting liberty abroad, we will build a safer world."


"By encouraging liberty at home, we will build a more hopeful America."

I stole this directly from the commie news network. Naturally CNN left out all jabs against Kerry. Since those Jabs help differentiate Bush from Kerry, I feel they should have been included as key points. I can only surmise that CNN left them out because they are biased against Bush.

Stu

The once and future king
09-03-2004, 06:34 AM
OMG.

Thats what is mind expanding about these forums. It is the only possible interaction I could have with someone capable of expressing such a sentiment.

As for security. This is the real reason that someone tends to the republican side of the force (the dark side).

Republicans love authority. They love strong armies strong police and firm and draconian laws. They want discipline rigidity and conformity. These are the psychological tells of the right in general. Fundamentaly they want to transfer responsibility for thier lives to an external force or father figure. They want to be told what to do and they want every one to obey those ordrers or else.

This is why the republican party has such strong ties with fundamentalist christian sections of USA culture. What better father figure than a disiplianrian God who sets down firm laws and punishes with damnation anyone who trangresses.

In essence then republicans and fundamentalist evangelical christians have the same fundamtenal neurosis and seek to resolve those by seeking a disciplinarian authority figure/external force which demands obediance and can grant them security from thier fears.

Cyrus
09-03-2004, 07:16 AM
Meantime, in the real world: The Bush camp is backing away hastily from Zell Miller, who's apparently destined to have a very short career as a Republican! Apparently, they want to avoid more of the negative reaction that arose across partisan lines from Miller's emotional speech.

Yes, it has come to this: The Republican Convention keynote speaker was ...speaking for himself.

Unbelievable.





MSNBC Report (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5897622/)

GWB
09-03-2004, 07:24 AM
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Zell Miller, who's apparently destined to have a very short career as a Republican!

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Shorter than even you think. As in 0 seconds. He was always and will always be a Democrat. It is not his fault that the National Democratic Party has turned leftward and left common sense Democrats like Zell behind.

adios
09-03-2004, 08:06 AM
Jokerswild wrote:

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What a sycophantic homo thread.

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A clear homophobic reference. Yet another in the long line of hate mongering statements made by jokerswild. One can only wonder what jokerswild states about minorities in private. Jokerswild, you're busted.

MMMMMM
09-03-2004, 10:30 AM
^

anatta
09-03-2004, 12:04 PM
Do you honestly believe there is ANY difference between this "common sense" Southern Democrat, Sen. Miller, and the Southern Conservative Democrats of the 1960's who supported segregation? These people were racists and the Repulican Party has assimilated (sp?) most of them like the Borg...some wackos remain in the Democratic Party I guess. Sen. Miller just sounds like a rather stupid person to me, and its not just the accent...although that helps.

nothumb
09-03-2004, 12:19 PM
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Restrain federal spending.


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I didn't realize he told any jokes!! /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

There are a lot of nice-sounding ideas here about increasing funding for community colleges, rural health care, etc etc. There were a lot of 'compassionate' ideas in his first platform too - did they happen?

NT

destro
09-03-2004, 12:31 PM
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common sense Democrats like Zell behind.

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HA
That is funny. Did you see him talk later when he was bieing interviewed and he told the guy that was pissing him off that he (Zell) wished we lived in the days where he could challenge you ( the interviewer) to a duel. This guy is so out there its starting to move from funny to scary.

andyfox
09-03-2004, 12:35 PM
I thought it was excellent. Bush seemed calm, cool, collected, confident and presidential. (And I'm not a fan by any means, as you all know.) Just as I had predicted, he was a breath of fresh air compared to the staginess of Arnold (and Zell). Better than Kerry did. It was just a bit too long, started too slowly (both in coentent and delivery) and lasted too long. But overall an A-. Plus his tie was much better than Kerry's.

I predict a substantial bounce for Bush and Kerry will be hardpressed to recover.

Kerry's speech in Ohio was wrong. Again he's harping on Vietnam. A mistake.

andyfox
09-03-2004, 12:38 PM
With the exception of the ill-advised mockery of Kerry, I thought the speech was excellent, both in terms of content and delivery.

Note that Bush's strategy is to paint Kerry as a man of the past, and himself as a man building a bridge to the future, the same strategy Clinton used to effectively against Dole in their debates in 1996.

andyfox
09-03-2004, 12:55 PM
Rather than continuing his Vietnam references, Kerry would be much better advised to start dealing with the issues. The one you bring up is a good start: Bush talks about Kerry being a tax-and-spend guy, but Bush is a spend-and-spend guy. He talks about restraining federal spending but look what he's actually done. He should point up what the unemployment rate was when Bush took office, what the poverty rate was, how many jobs were created/lost in the Clinton years vs. Bush's fist term, etc. And if Bush says he inherited the recession or that 9/11 created problems, Kerry should ask him if he's going to just take credit for good things and place blame for the bad things on somebody or something else. In a Kerry administration, we won't pass the buck and do that. He should give details about the lack of planning and the deliberate ignoring of post-war planning that have caused so many of the problems in Iraq. (Kerry should read James Fallows' analysis which appeared in The Atlantic a few months ago.) If Bush is so passionate about the programs he proposed in his speech, why were these things ignored during the first term? And don't lie about my proposals: I am not running on a program of tax increases. I want to rescind the reduction of the marginal tax rate only on the incomes of those people making $200,00 a year or more, and only on that portion of their income which is in that highest tax bracket. And you're right when you say we have different ideas. I don't believe a waitress making $20,000 a year deserves the same percentage tax cut as a lawyer making $200,000 a year.

Too bad I'm too busy with other things, I could be Kerry's Karl Rove. And it appears he needs one. Badly.