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GoldenHorde
09-02-2004, 09:46 PM
3 hands that I debated over with people who were watching me play would be interested in hearing others thoughts.

Hand 1 - blinds 300/600, 2600 chips, 63 left 60 pay, You pick up K-J in the CO and its checked to you the BB has a big stack and is fairly loose.

Hand 2 - blinds 2k/4k, 25k chips, 23 left, You have A-Qs on the button and the CO who has been playing fairly tight pushes all in for 23k.

Hand 3 - blinds 2k/4k 23k chips, 17 left, You have K-Q UTG on an 8-man table that has been playing tight.

Benal
09-02-2004, 10:05 PM
Hand 1 - I think you mean folded to you in the CO. Push if winning the tourney is your goal. Fold if just making the $$$ is good enough for you.

Hand 2 - FOLD

Hand 3 - Tough hand UTG. I probably fold it.

ligastar
09-02-2004, 10:08 PM
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Hand 1 - blinds 300/600, 2600 chips, 63 left 60 pay, You pick up K-J in the CO and its checked to you the BB has a big stack and is fairly loose. [ QUOTE ]


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FOLD
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Hand 2 - blinds 2k/4k, 25k chips, 23 left, You have A-Qs on the button and the CO who has been playing fairly tight pushes all in for 23k. [ QUOTE ]


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FOLD
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Hand 3 - blinds 2k/4k 23k chips, 17 left, You have K-Q UTG on an 8-man table that has been playing tight.

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PUSH

BTW, there is a player in my fantasy football league w/ the name Golden Horde. Nice post.

Greg H.

GoldenHorde
09-02-2004, 10:20 PM
Wish it were me i've run a FFL for about 5 years but had someone else take over this year and it looks like its not happening so no FF for me.

And yes I meant folded in Hand 1 but it won't let me edit that post.

willperkins
09-02-2004, 10:41 PM
Hand 1: I fold. With the amount I have left, and the blinds at 300/600, I am looking for something to "go all in with" and with a loose caller with a big stack in the BB, I want something better than KJ.

Hand 2: Easy fold for me.

Hand 3: I would fold. Too many people in front of me to waste my valuable chips limping and I certainly would not raise or try to steal with KQ and seven people in front of me

Ptolemy
09-02-2004, 11:29 PM
Hand 1: Unless you are just looking to sneak into the money, this is a push. You are short stacked and are ahead of three random hands. Even better if the BB is loose and going to call you with anything as you are in a good position to double up.

Hand 2: If he has been playing tight I fold this. At best you are a coin flip and could be way behind to his AK, AA, KK and QQ which he has probably been sitting there waiting for.

Hand 3: Easy push for me. Blinds are too high to not make steal attempts and KQ is a good hand to go for it.

Anyway, just my thoughts.

Pto

Deelah
09-03-2004, 12:18 AM
Hand 1: Easy push. You want those blinds. If the BB is loose he can call you with a hand like QJ/JT which is great news.

Hand 2: This is the toughest one. It´s tempting to call but as another poster here said you can only hope for a coinflip and that´s not good.

Hand 3: Go all-in even though I hate pushing UTG with a weak hand and the whole table behind. Someone usually finds a hand and you´re in a bad spot - guaranteed. I still think it´s the right move here according to the high blinds.

AceKQJT
09-03-2004, 09:46 AM
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Hand 1 - blinds 300/600, 2600 chips, 63 left 60 pay, You pick up K-J in the CO and its checked to you the BB has a big stack and is fairly loose.

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No-Brainer...Push

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Hand 2 - blinds 2k/4k, 25k chips, 23 left, You have A-Qs on the button and the CO who has been playing fairly tight pushes all in for 23k.


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Very tough decision...I don't think you could really make a huge mistake in this situation...I fold, personally.

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Hand 3 - blinds 2k/4k 23k chips, 17 left, You have K-Q UTG on an 8-man table that has been playing tight.

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You are about to pay T-6000 in blinds (25% of your stack). I'd really be looking at the pay schedule right now...If a couple of places makes a substantial difference in my pay-out, I might opt to fold here. Other than some extreme circumstances, however, I push.

SossMan
09-03-2004, 11:40 AM
I can't believe how weak tight some of these players are. I would push here in all three. The only one that is a little close is the KQ UTG hand. I could probably be convinced to fold if the structure has some big increases in the next couple spots.

KJ in the CO on the bubble...this is like free money. You probably have the best hand and you will likely not get called.

AQs after a CO w/ <6x open raises?? Jesus people, are we waiting for AA every hand? You should be killing his range of hands here.

AceKQJT
09-03-2004, 12:18 PM
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AQs after a CO w/ <6x open raises?? Jesus people, are we waiting for AA every hand? You should be killing his range of hands here.

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I based my decision on the OP's read that the guy had been very tight up to this point. If I had watched this guy go 3 rounds without VPIP, then he pushes 6x in front of me, I'd probably fold (as I suggested) and pick a better spot. That's what makes it a difficult decision, IMO. Against an average player or without a decent read, I would agree with you.

--Casey

Pat Southern
09-03-2004, 12:45 PM
The first two hands are easy pushes.

Hand 1- People are playing tight on the bubble, its folded to you in the CO and you have an above average hand. Unless you're extremely concerned about making the money I don't see how you can pass this up.

Hand 2- Even if he has been playing tight, he's likely to be making that play with a huge range of hands, most of which you dominate, you're only in trouble against AK, AA, KK and QQ. You're already in the money, and the payouts are flat until you make the final table anyways, this is a nice chance to double up.

Hand 3 I fold, I hate raising UTG without a monster hand, there's just too many people to get through.

GrinningBuddha
09-03-2004, 01:33 PM
KJo vs loose BB - Push. We don't just want to make the money here with no chips, we want a stack that will take us further.

AQs vs tight all-in - Fold. He may be getting cold-decked and is pushing in desperately, but it's more likely that he's got a hand that beats you more often than not. I don't want to risk my tournament by being the second on all-in into a pot pre-flop in this situation.

KQo UTG - Push. Tight table and you're looking at a 25% increase in your stack. It's worth the risk.

gergery
09-03-2004, 03:40 PM
I don’t think any of these are no brainers.

Hand 1: Push. KJ has good equity vs. random hand. Chances of getting a hand as good as this in next 5 hands is about even money, and I think it’s worth trying to play for big money more than trying to squeak in. What might swing it is if there is a tight player whose blind you can likely steal in the next 2-3 hands.

Hand 2: Call,but depends on rest of table. If he’s fairly tight, give him top 15% of hands (33+, A8+, A4s+, KQs+), and you’re a slight favorite 1.3 to 1 vs. that range. So calling can’t be wrong. But if you feel you can steal 1+time per orbit or there are some bad players left who might still pay you off, or structure is particularly topheavy then patience and survival might be even higher EV from stealing

Hand 3: Push this on tight table. This is heavily dependent on folding equity. Figure they’ll call only with top 10% of hands here (AA-55, AK-AT, KQ), so with 7 others to act the table will fold around 50% of the time, and you have decent prospects as a 40% favorite when you are called . So its slightly EV- to push, but going thru the blinds leaves you only 4xBB, which is the danger zone to not having any folding equity at all, and forces you to push sometime in the next 7 or so hands anyway.

--Greg

chet
09-03-2004, 05:19 PM
Hand 1 Push

Hand 2--Fold. I never like to call an all in with AQ or AK. I like to bet all in with those hands, but calling puts you in a coin flip too often with no folding equity.

Hand 3 Dont remember the situation. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

SossMan
09-03-2004, 05:46 PM
Fold. I never like to call an all in with AQ or AK

never should never be used in poker

Roman
09-03-2004, 05:51 PM
agreed.

As for the hands:
#1 push, you dont have enough chips to wait here.
#2 matters how tight he is and how good your read is, but my chips beat him in moe times than not.
#3 this one is really close, but I prolly push here if the table is as tight as you say it is.