PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR BUSH AGAIN

[JayLeno]

[William]

Why not? Finally have the americans got some kind of hereditary monarchy. Is that bad? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Simon Diamond]

Who do you vote for?
Users may choose 3

You may choose 3? Doesn't that defeat the object?

Simon

[Jurollo]

Haha no sh!t. I voted for everyone cuz i didnt want to hurt anyone's feelings. But you can bet in November I will be voting for Kerry, and also trying to use multiple costumes to vote again and again for him, as I would rather move to Canada then see what good 'ole GW would get our country into in another 4 years. Mark my words, college kids will win this election for Kerry, whenever the possibility of a draft is even floated kids come out in hoards to vote against the current president.

[cnfuzzd]

where is the anyone but bush option?

peace

john nickle

[knightunner]

Ralph Nader.

[fluff]

A Republican friend of mine told me before the 2000 elections that if I vote for Gore, and Gore wins, the economy would go down the tank, oil prices would sky rocket, unemployment would rise, the deficit would be record high and US troops would be stretched thin.

Well, I voted for Gore anyway, he did win, and darn if all those things didn't come true.

[Jimbo]

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Mark my words, college kids will win this election for Kerry, whenever the possibility of a draft is even floated kids come out in hoards to vote against the current president.


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History has proven otherwise, perhaps you should get a refund on your college tuition.

Jimbo

[MicroBob]

Have to agree with Jimbo on this one.

Most 18-25 year-olds simply don't give enough of a crap to vote. And they certainly aren't terribly afraid of a draft being instituted (regardless of whether or not they should be).


I've always been interested in politics for some reason. I take the time to at least familiarize myself with my area legislators, city-council people and so on.

I got to vote in the 1988 election (Bush v. Dukakis) even though I was still in high-school.
I turned 18 y.o. on Oct 29 and I think the election was on Nov 4 or so. I thought it was really cool that I barely made the cut-off (but I was kind of a weird kid).


Anyway, just go around asking 18-25 year-olds if they're going to vote and you will be amazed at how many respond 'probably not'.

[LoveNh8]

drink from the wooded Nader cup, fail the Test of Pragmatism
(assuming you aren't in a *serious* red state like Kansas)

drink from the gold-plated Bush grail, fail the IQ Test

drink from the disposable plastic Kerry cup, fail the Gut Check,
vomit, then realize it was the best of three wretched choices...

...yeah, you slugged some crappy liquor and projectile puked...
then realized it wasn't brown LSD punch
or locoweed Dr. Strangelove holy water.

Welcome to modern politics, my sick hobby.
Welcome to a time where we *fervently wish* Tricky Dick Nixon was hammering nails into the Republican platform.
Welcome to a time where we need Eisenhower to rise from the grave more than Jeebus.

[imitation]

It bemuses me that the US is a democracy where people aren't forced to vote.

[jonesy]

I live in In, they always go republican so I will vote for Nader. If I lived in a swing state, my vote's for Kerry.

[boedeker]

im voting bush all the way

[jonesy]

you live in NY, it don't matter

[Jurollo]

For those that said I was wrong about college kids in general I would know as I am one, and while some may not vote as they say they are going to this is the most disenchanted and politically active I have seen my generation. GWB has done something special in needlessly sending hundreds of young soldiers to their deaths in that he has awoken (to an extent) a sleeping giant in the 18-24 demographic. While I will agree that the numbers won't still beat other demographics I would say 65%-70% of the group could be achievable this year.

[NotReady]

You're far more likely to get a draft under Kerry than Bush. The only person I've heard mention the draft is Al Sharpton. The military is dead set against it.

[Jurollo]

Well the general consensus is that Bush is the face of this war, so many young people align him with military action. And there were rumblings in the senate earlier in the year about a draft, as we are spread horribly thin.

[JayLeno]

LOL - YES!
I misunderstood the sentence and thought it said choose between 3! But I cant correct it now or can I?
Have not the big experience with making theese polls as you can see! But thanks for the correction.

[Lazymeatball]

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as I would rather move to Canada then see what good 'ole GW would get our country into in another 4 years.

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Didn't everyone say that 4 years ago, and they are still here.

[Losing all]

Damn shame too.

[The once and future king]

Im not.

[HavanaBanana]

I am seconding the notion of NOT voting for Bush, as I stand to make 500$ from if.
So more money into the poker pool.

From the betting point, the odds is now about 2.20 when you bet for Kerry, which is up from 2 weeks ago when he was the favorite.

ToT

[mistrpug]

Again? We didn't vote for him the first time. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[westmt01]

Thank you for wasting my time by posting this in a place that is clearly inapropriate.

[boogerboy]

If all the hypocrites who threatened to move to Canada would finaly do it I would appreciate it. Get out of college, get a job, watch uncle sam take money out of your pay check away from you,and your family then tell me you would vote for Kerry.

[boogerboy]

Pretty funny, but give me a break. He Inherited horrible economy, 911, alen greenspan, and still has kicked butt

[Overdrive]

It seems like every time there is a new bill introduced into congress to 'ban internet gambling' it is always introuduced by those idiotic right-wing religious republican nutbags. Rep. John Conner (D)Michigan proposed setting up a commission to legalize internet gambling - wouldn't it be nice if there were some U.S. based poker sites /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Right now with Bush in office and ready to sign any bill to restrict our freedoms as adults, like playing poker if we want too, it seems like the WTO may be the only hope if the Republicans do away with poker on the net.

I vote Kerry.

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Pretty funny, but give me a break. He Inherited horrible economy, 911, alen greenspan, and still has kicked butt

[/ QUOTE ]

This post clearly indicates the approximate political comprehension level, grammar and spelling of the average Bush supporter

[Edge34]

As O/T as this whole thread is, I kinda have to respond to this one...

"Right now with Bush in office and ready to sign any bill to restrict our freedoms as adults, like playing poker if we want too, it seems like the WTO may be the only hope if the Republicans do away with poker on the net.

I vote Kerry. "

So you're basing your entire vote on whether or not INTERNET POKER IS LEGAL? Come on, there's more to life than this game. Sad.

I'm voting Bush, and I'm proud of it.

And all you liberals who keep whining about "we won the election 4 years ago"...boo hoo. No you didn't. The electoral college is what counts, and it said you lost. Can you PLEASE quit crying now?

On the subject of "needlessly sending soldiers to their deaths", the brave men and women of the military registered for duty FULLY UNDERSTANDING the risks. If it weren't for people like them, we'd probably live in a country where you'd be jailed or killed for disagreeing with the government...sorta like what Iraq USED to be.

I could go on, but I'll take this over to the OT forum...

-Edge

[Jurollo]

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On the subject of "needlessly sending soldiers to their deaths", the brave men and women of the military registered for duty FULLY UNDERSTANDING the risks. If it weren't for people like them, we'd probably live in a country where you'd be jailed or killed for disagreeing with the government...sorta like what Iraq USED to be.


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True they signed up to protect this country and understood the risks of going to war. However, there is a HUGE problem in this case. This war wasnt about protecting our country from an immediate threat. I think the fact that the brave kids who signed up for the military willing to die and have been needlessly put in harms way makes this so much worse. Iraq was NOT a direct threat to the US, in fact, with some ties on Saddam we were safer from terrorism WITH him than we are WITHOUT him. Rules like Saddam with large egos would never let terrorist cells operate within their borders, this has been documented by multiple reports written by terrorism experts. Saddam had no wmd's, so what exactly was the threat to our safety? Simply put, none. But we wanted to bring our democracy and way of life to Iraq to help everyone there (and get a strategic oil partner), well as your stereotypical cocky texan (not bashing all texans, just the don't mess with texas cocky type) he didnt realize that maybe our way of life ISN'T the best for everyone, our crime rates are horrible, for such a rick country we have horrible poverty in some areas, rampid greed and corruption, and a government who more times than not acts for themselves rather than those they are serving. I love America, don't get me wrong, but the fact that we can decide to unilaterally demolish a country to take down a tyrannical leader who we deem as a problem is just arrogant and not neccessary. Bush has no idea the devastation he has caused in Iraq and while they now can speak their own will against the government they do so in a war zone, which more than likely, will never change, as guerilla warfare is the hardest to fight and hardest to cease. But Bush still can brag that the country he freed got to the bronze medal game in soccer because he freed their people (and also blew up their stadium). Nothing wrong with any of that I guess.

[thwang99]

Edge34 said:

On the subject of "needlessly sending soldiers to their deaths", the brave men and women of the military registered for duty FULLY UNDERSTANDING the risks.

Can you explain to me how soldiers fully understanding the risks has anything to do with needlessly sending soldiers to their death?

I'm NOT arguing if it was right to send soldiers and if we sent them needlessly to their deaths or not. But how does the fact that the soldiers signed up knowing the risks support the argument that they weren't needlessly sent to their deaths? Or are you just stating these two things together in the same sentence for another purpose?

- Tony

[meep_42]

Sadly, Bush is going to win. Kerry is just like Al Gore, only less palatable to the swing voters.

And there is about zero chance of a draft, under either candidate's leadership.

-d

[Yod]

You should go to www.tradesports.com. (http://www.tradesports.com.) They have contracts you can trade depending on who you favour.The market maker is a partisan Bush fanatic and this market highly underates Kerry so you can get a good price.Please post your reaction or anywhere you see Kerry at a bargain. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Yod]

It truly is sad and for my wagering (not to mention the state of the world)not too optimistic.Kerry is one lousy candidate and his campaign team must be made up of the dregs of the Dukakis gang. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Jurollo]

My point before wasn't that there was going to be a draft, because I am not naive enough to think there will be one, mainly because it would be political suicide. But the idea was floated non chanlantly in the senate earlier in the year, and that perked up a lot of young people's ears, that was my only point.

[GrannyMae]

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Pretty funny, but give me a break. He Inherited horrible economy, 911, alen greenspan, and still has kicked butt

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This post clearly indicates the approximate political comprehension level, grammar and spelling of the average Bush supporter

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challenger is my new hero.

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/w/super.gif

[pokerjo22]

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we'd probably live in a country where you'd be jailed or killed for disagreeing with the government

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"New York police have arrested more than 1,700 people, more than at any other U.S. political convention" - CNN.com

[Wake up CALL]

[ QUOTE ]
It seems like every time there is a new bill introduced into congress to 'ban internet gambling' it is always introuduced by those idiotic right-wing religious republican nutbags. Rep. John Conner (D)Michigan proposed setting up a commission to legalize internet gambling - wouldn't it be nice if there were some U.S. based poker sites /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Right now with Bush in office and ready to sign any bill to restrict our freedoms as adults, like playing poker if we want too, it seems like the WTO may be the only hope if the Republicans do away with poker on the net.

I vote Kerry.

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I see why this generation is so screwy when it comes to politics. Nearly all anti internet gambling bill have been first introduced by Democrats. Often they require co-sponsors which may or may not be Republicans but the liberals initiate most of them. One of the first efforts was by Rep. John LaFalce, D-N.Y on In July 2001. He is the guy who wants to ban the use of credit cards or any other financial instruments to pay for Internet gambling.

Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev introduced similar legislation in March 2003.

Certainly the most famous is this bill called the Conyers-Berkley bill, both democrats.

Remember gambling is to liberals as pornography is to conservatives.

You should certainly vote for whomever you wish but you should at least do it for the correct reasons.

[GWB]

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we'd probably live in a country where you'd be jailed or killed for disagreeing with the government

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"New York police have arrested more than 1,700 people, more than at any other U.S. political convention" - CNN.com

[/ QUOTE ]

Did you read about the NYC protesters who beat a NYC policeman unconscious? Here is the thread. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=979672&page=&view=&sb=5&o =&fpart=1&vc=1)

[pokerjo22]

I guess you can quote what you want from the article you cited:

"Police smashed the camera of a local New York television crew at an angry demonstration against Republicans holding their national convention nearby, an AFP correspondent on the scene said."

"Police also went charging with batons raised in pursuit of various demonstrators"

"I think the cops give them as much free speech as they think they deserve", said Paul Keefe from the National Lawyers Guild.

[pokerjo22]

Of the 1700 arrested, 1000 were arrested for not having the correct permit to protest /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Finally have the americans got some kind of hereditary monarchy

Finally??? You have obviously forgotten the Adams' and the Roosevelt's. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Losing all]

Other topics. They'd love to have another Cal bear. Not that you started this thread, fuc you leno!

[JayLeno]

Well - I think you have plenty of time. First, in spite of the fact that you apparently dont want to read of topic posts, you read a post with a subject that clearly indicates that its of topic. After this, you take your time to reply to it. And whine about it - amazing!

[dogmeat]

Basing this on McGovern getting elected over Nixon? Oh, wait, Nixon won in a landslide.................

Dogmeat

[VeryTnA]

Poster: pokerjo22
Loc: Berkeley, CA

Berkeley....That about says it all!

[thwang99]

Hey is that your profile on yahoo? pokerjo22? I was a Cal Bear. Go BERKELEY! Cal rules! /images/graemlins/smile.gif - Tony

[Greg J]

What state are you in? If you are in Ohio, Penn, Minn, Wisc, or the like, I will TRADE my Kerry vote with you and vote Nader in my grand home state of Myssyssyppy (where I am still regiestered).

[Greg J]

Draft is unlikely yes. If it was going to be done, it would be more likely to be done by Kerry and other liberal democrats.

A couple of things about the draft: 1) Most young people still won't care. Young people don't have the political resources to meaningfully participate in the political process as effectively as thier older counterparts. 2) The draft is not a bad thing. In fact, I think a draft is GOOD! It might make those neocon war mongers think twice about going to war if thier own kids and grandkids were fighting and dieing. As long as we have a volunteer military the poor will fight and die more, and since the poor don't vote as much (less political resources -- see point 1), we get neocons in office.

[Frozen]

...or at least a very high probability of one:

http://tinyurl.com/5xp6x

lol, I'm all for a libertarian president, but I think a sample size of 28 might be a little small.

[Frozen]

Sample is small, and it's only securities/options/futures/currencies traders...but my point still stands.

[CORed]

[ QUOTE ]
where is the anyone but bush option?

[/ QUOTE ]

That would be Kerry. I can't see any reason to vote for Kerry other than that he is not Bush, and I will vote for Kerry. Unfortunately, he is the only candidate who has any chance of defeating Bush. Besides, I think Nader would be worse than either major candidate. I could live with a Libertarian president, but we know that the probability of that happening is exactly 0.

[Theodore Donald Kiravatsos]

[ QUOTE ]
As O/T as this whole thread is, I kinda have to respond to this one...

"Right now with Bush in office and ready to sign any bill to restrict our freedoms as adults, like playing poker if we want too, it seems like the WTO may be the only hope if the Republicans do away with poker on the net.

I vote Kerry. "

So you're basing your entire vote on whether or not INTERNET POKER IS LEGAL? Come on, there's more to life than this game. Sad.



[/ QUOTE ]

Wrong. I cite the quote below.

Tom McEvoy: "There is more to poker than life."

[Wake up CALL]

[ QUOTE ]
Bush has no idea the devastation he has caused in Iraq

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And of course you in your infinite wisdom know more than the President of the United States. Got any more jokes to tell at the Bush won the election watch party this November?

[pokerjo22]

Actually I'm not from Berkeley, or at Berkeley, or a Cal bear etc. etc.

I'm from the Republican stronghold of massachusetts /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[stir]

ditto.

[Copernicus]

Anyone voting for Kerry please tell me your site and screen name. I would love to play at the table of someone with so little reasoning ability.

[MikeNaked]

I agree that these turnout numbers are achievable. But to make it happen, we have to get involved! From something as small as a bumpersticker or a pin to engaging in conversation, everyone who desires to replace the fascists must stand up and speak out! Complacency is the enemy!

[Wake up CALL]

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I agree that these turnout numbers are achievable. But to make it happen, we have to get involved! From something as small as a bumpersticker or a pin to engaging in conversation, everyone who desires to replace the fascists must stand up and speak out! Complacency is the enemy!

[/ QUOTE ]

Another example of parents wasting their money on a college education for a future streetsweeper.

So sad!

[dink]

[ QUOTE ]
Anyone voting for Kerry please tell me your site and screen name. I would love to play at the table of someone with so little reasoning ability.

[/ QUOTE ]

dink at pacific

bring it on

you sir seem to be lacking the ability to reason