Am I Too Fishy Here?

[nickey009]

I'm getting about the right odds to call right?

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

MP2 ($120.29)
MP3 ($48.15)
CO ($28.40)
Button ($32.40)
SB ($24.50)
BB ($27.50)
UTG ($23)
UTG+1 ($24.50)
Hero ($43.90)
MP1 ($11.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG bets $1</font>, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero calls $1, MP2 folds, SB calls $1, <font color="CC3333">BB raises to $8.85</font>, UTG calls $7.85, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $7.85, SB folds.

Turn: ($31.55) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets $18.15 (All-In)</font>, UTG calls $13.65 (All-In), Hero calls $18.15.

River: ($81.50) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $81.50

Results in white below: <font color="white">
BB shows 7c Jd (two pair, jacks and sevens).
UTG shows 4s 4c (three of a kind, fours).
Hero shows 8s As (high card, ace).
Outcome: UTG wins $72.50. BB wins $9. </font>

[Wayfare]

This was very fishy. It was not the turn, but the flop that was fishy.

[cagedman]

Could you elaborate? I thought the turn was the fishy move:

The turn: Pot laying about 1:3.5, and since the ace outs are probably no good, no odds to call down.

The flop: Both guys are practically pot-stuck, so if if you get there you're probably going to win at least one if not both of their stacks... so the pot is laying (implied) somewhere around 8:(23+18 or 23+13 or 23+18+13)

This is... 1:5.125 or 1:4.5 or 1:6.75. I think it's not a bad call on a flush draw, especially if he had the feeling (as I probably would have) that both were coming along for the ride. The odds are even better if the SB calls (a raise wouldn't be TOO troubling since then you'd have 3 potstuck folks against your flushdraw and you could just re-raise allin)

I would've called the flop and folded the turn myself....

I am pretty green though and your posts are usually spot on so I'm wondering what your rationale was?

[fimbulwinter]

preflop:
you're playing A8s, which has most of its value as a drawing/2 pair hand. you're playing it from early position where you won't know the odds you'll be getting for your draw. this is something i wouldn't do 10 handed.

post flop:
this is actually a pretty good flop for you. certainly one i'd get aggro with. you have one over plus a nut flush draw. min bet from UTG is certainly fishy; i'd bump it up to fold out weak jacks, other aces and overcards. yes, here you ran into top two and a set, but in general i'd give them a reason to fold or let me know that i'm in trouble. (trouble here is being on a flush draw against a set because your draw can easily be cracked if made, or being against AA, which is unlikely)

turn: calling here is a simple player-dependant decision here. if i feel there's a set out there, i can have up to 2 of my 9 outs dirty here, so i fold. if i think i've got a strong jack and an overpair in a pissing contest, i call.

fim

[cornell2005]

dump suited aces on party poker. the stacks are so short that its not the type of hand it is on other sites