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TexInAtl
09-01-2004, 07:19 PM
I've been accused of overplaying middle pocket pairs. Comments please.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

River: (6 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
MP2 shows Qc Ks (one pair, twos).
Hero shows 8s 8h (two pair, eights and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 8 BB. </font>

Entity
09-01-2004, 07:40 PM
In that hand, you played it well. I put MP2 on Ace-high. With only one overcard and no large aggression shown pre/post-flop, I'll play that hand exactly like you did. Nice hand.

Rob

afs
09-01-2004, 08:02 PM
Of course it's player dependant, but I suspect the river bet is wrong more often than not. I'd be interested to hear what others think. ... otherwise, I like it plenty.

nolanfan34
09-01-2004, 08:11 PM
Looks fine to me. Don't let the man get you down, trying to say you overplay mid pocket pairs.

Entity
09-02-2004, 01:22 AM
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Of course it's player dependant, but I suspect the river bet is wrong more often than not. I'd be interested to hear what others think. ... otherwise, I like it plenty.

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How could that river bet be wrong? I bet for value here every day, and twice on Tuesdays. You got called down with K high; how wrong can betting against opponents like this be?

Rob

Webster
09-02-2004, 07:47 AM
I would have raised coming in - that would have changed the whole flavor of the hand. I'll raise down to 77 even 2 off the Button.

MP2 does not bet then and a scare card hits I bet and watch people fold. I can then see who HAS that scare card. Then I can probebly get free cards the rest of the way.

I think you UNDER played it pre flop.

crockett
09-02-2004, 08:44 AM
I would raise pre-flop.

Bet the flop if checked to me, raise the flop if bet to me, probably fold to a 3-bet depending upon reads.

Definately see the river if I'm heads up on the turn.

I like your play but I would have raised pre-flop.