K-8 on button

$15-30. One limper. I raise on the button with K-8 of clubs. Small blind calls, big blind folds, limper calls. Threeway.


Flop: Q-J-6, two spades and one club. The queen was the first card visible as the dealer began his thumbroll, and the player in the small blind checks a soon as he sees the queen, but before the other two cards are revealed. I put him on a queen.


The limper also checks the flop, and I check. The turn card is a low club giving me a flush draw. SB checks, limper checks, I check.


River: an offsuit ace. Small blind checks, limper mucks, so now it's headsup, and I figure the guy will call, so I check again. He turns over Q-9 of hearts. Someone, not the limper, asks to see my hand and the dealer acts like he doesn't hear the request, and mucks my hand. Argument begins between asking player and the dealer, and another player helps out by jokingly saying, "Just ask him [me] what he had. I'm sure he'll tell you."


And it worked! Everybody got calm and on we went.


Tommy

raising with k-8 off? I understand -- that was the last nite the casino was going to be open and that was the last hand of the night. now it makes sense.


too bad the casino shut down . . .i'd love to get in the game

I am curious, why did you raise with the K,8?


Did you have a strong read on this guy and could you have bluffed him out on the flop almost everytime if he didn't hit his hand?


Would you have raised almost any hand here?

"I put him on a queen."


I bet the flop.


vince

when i first started reading tommy's posts they infuriated me as well. tommy makes a great preflop raise given the situation. just look at the control he had over his opponents. all it took was that one small bet extra to get him to the river. he is able to read his opponents very well and that adds mega value to his position and hand.


if you understood that constant preflop raising on the button and from the cutoff and constant preflop folding from the blinds and early positions is a key part of a systematic torture of his opponents and their chips then you would save your pithy criticism for another poster.

Just kidding around. try not to take things so seriously . . . you might become a winning player someday.

"Just kidding around. try not to take things so seriously"


sorry i had no idea you were kidding. i was a little surprised by your post because other things you had written had been pretty smart.


" . . . you might become a winning player someday."


well now i know youre kidding.

just trying to make it through a work day . . .

"I am curious, why did you raise with the K,8?"


Because one of the blinds can muck preflop and because the limper and the other blind are both timid postflop.


Depending on my recent hand-involvement frequency, I would have often raised any ace and most kings. I'm not too wild about queen hands because I like to start with better showdown value, like in the K-8 hand, my check on the river was a value check. With only ten high, I might have been tempted to bet to drive out a king. I win many many with ace-high and king-high after check-check on the river.


Tommy