PokerTracker stats checkup...

[JTrout]

11,000 mile checkup.
Anything look out of whack? all advice appreciated.

My quick thoughts: find more places to play pre-flop, be more creative post flop (after I raise preflop- I just bet until raised).

I'm very interested in anyone's input on the showdown #s.
I don't know what is good/bad, but I feel like I need to get to the showdown a little more often.


Hands: 11,000 3-6 Party
VP$IP: 14.07 %
VP$IP from SB: 19.67%

Saw Flop All Hands: 18.96%
Saw Flop Not in Blind: 12.36%

Folded SB to Steal: 85.25%
Folded BB to Steal: 63.77%
Folded BB to Steal HU: 65.22%
Att. to Steal Blinds 23.09%

Won $ when saw Flop: 32.84%
Went to Showdown: 34.76%
Won $ at Showdown: 54.76%
BB/100 hands: 3.30

Raised pre-flop: 8.09%
Limp/Reraise: 3 out of 11,000

First Action on Flop after I Pre-flop raise:
raise: 10.34 %
bet: 55.39
call: 7.08
check: 12.02
check/raise: 1.57
fold: 3.26
no flop: 10.34

[Ralph Wiggum]

Why is your VPIP so friggin low? What was it at 2/4?

*Edit: Your winnning over 3BB/100, so imo the rest of the stats (including your VPIP) just don't matter much (assuming they're not horrifically out of line, and I don't think they are).

[JTrout]

I only have 2,939 hands in PT at 2-4.
VP$IP: 13.85

(I squeak)

My post flop play isn't as strong as my preflop.
I play 3 tables.
One way to stay out of trouble given this criteria is to be tight.
I'm making an effort to improve my post-flop play, and along with that I hope to play a FEW more hands.

Cheers,
JTrout

[Ralph Wiggum]

How's the 3/6 compare to the 2/4?

*Edit: My VPIP is above 20% off the top of my head.

[Eihli]

Well, I don't know if those stats are good or not, but in comparison...

Hands: 22,000 2/4 party
VP$IP: 14.27 %
VP$IP from SB: 23.22%

Saw Flop All Hands: 20.19%
Saw Flop Not in Blind: 12.45%

Folded SB to Steal: 95.15%
Folded BB to Steal: 82.84%
Folded BB to Steal HU: 82.67%
Att. to Steal Blinds 19.03%

Won $ when saw Flop: 28.62%
Went to Showdown: 27.50%
Won $ at Showdown: 53.65%
BB/100 hands: -.34

Raised pre-flop: 8.59%
Limp/Reraise: 0

First Action on Flop after I Pre-flop raise:
raise: 10.33 %
bet: 62.38
call: 4.14
check: 6.35
check/raise: .42
fold: 6.92
no flop: 5.40

[JTrout]

other than the obvious sb difference, they're very similar IMO.

Maybe a few more good players at 3-6, but the bad playeres are many and just as bad.

[MarkD]

Eihli:

I don't have access to PT atm but it appears you fold your blinds too much to steal raises and don't try to steal enough yourself.

Also, your:
Won $ when saw Flop: 28.62%
is quite low which leads me to believe you are simply on an extended bad run of cards.

Also, I think you are too slightly too tight pre-flop (but this shouldn't be too bad).

[MarkD]

You probably need to play looser in late position.

[Frenchie]

I have been trying to analyze my numbers for the last week:

Hands: 3400 2-4 (mostly) and 3-6 Party
VP$IP: 29.30 %
VP$IP from SB: 55.08%

Saw Flop All Hands: 36.23%
Saw Flop Not in Blind: 26.31%

Folded SB to Steal: 80.00%
Folded BB to Steal: 53.85%
Folded BB to Steal HU: 35.29%
Att. to Steal Blinds 28.57%

Won $ when saw Flop: 35.36%
Went to Showdown: 33.90%
Won $ at Showdown: 50.00%
BB/100 hands: 5.33

Raised pre-flop: 9.49%
Limp/Reraise: 3 out of 3403

First Action on Flop after I Pre-flop raise:
raise: 11.76 %
bet: 64.71
call: 5.57
check: 6.50
check/raise: 0.00
fold: 3.72
no flop: 7.43

Agression Factor (excluding Pre-Flop): 2.43

I realize that these numbers are too Loose but they are better than a few months. Also the larger VP$IP can be partially explained by the number of hands at short table (4 to 6 players).

The first thing that jumps at me is my play from the blinds. I seem to complete or defend a lot more. The intriguing thing is that when I look at my stats by position, I only have a negative BB won / hand on position 5 (-0.04) and BB (-0.17) with SB being barely positive (0.01).

POSITION VPIP CCPF BB WON/HAND
BTN 36.58 3.80 0.10
1 26.36 2.45 0.10
2 26.76 1.13 0.09
3 23.93 0.85 0.10
4 25.89 0.60 0.04
5 25.00 0.00 -0.04
6 24.15 0.42 0.36
7 21.64 0.00 0.16
BB 16.41 0.00 -0.17
SB 55.08 0.00 0.01

I know that my sample of hands is pretty small but I started to change my play in early July (for the better) and I don't think that I should include my other 6000+ hands for prior to July because those numbers are even worse. From what I have read in these forums, it seems like I should reduce my VP$IP by about 5 to 8% at every position, except SB where I can cut back a good 20 to 30%. I will need to study my starting hands as I got to have leaks all over the place.

[chesspain]

Dude,

Either you've had a really extended run of crappy cards, or you are playing incredibly weak-tight.

[MarkD]

Your sample size of 3400 is probably too small for most of these stats. It should be noted that your SB play should be significantly different from the other players in this thread since you are playing 2/4 and they are playing 3/6 (the blind structure is different).

Given the disclaimer that your sample may be way too small I think you are probably defending the BB too much and are playing too many hands in general. You may be completing the small blind too much as well but I'll defer to others that have more data with a 1/2 SB structure.

[JTrout]

I'm studying Ed's book, and it's helping my post-flop play.
It's a great book.
If you haven't gotten it already, get it. You'll love it.

Cheers,
JTrout.

[Eihli]

There is no way I'm playing weak-tight. If anything, I'm taking SSH advice too far and calling down when I shouldn't.

[whiskeytown]

that's about what my W$ if you saw flop ratio is....28 or 29 percent, and I'm averaging 5BB/100 hands...

so I don't think it's quite as low as you would believe.

RB

[MarkD]

I think it is and you are running good over a small sample. If you have 50k+ hands I will be quiet though.

[chesspain]

Your numbers for VP$IP, VP$IP from SB, and Went to Showdown all seem very low since we are talking about Party 2/4 games. I'm wondering if you're playing too tight up front, which will limit your opportunities for making money.

[Eihli]

I stopped playing Axs and pairs first in from any position. I stopped playing ATo and KQo unless i'm in LP and there is only 1 or 2 limpers before me. I only play KJo if it's folded to me in LP. I only play QJo from the SB or if it's foled to me on the button/co. Those changes brought my vpip/pfr down from about 17/9 my first 10k hands to 14/8 by 25k hands. And I'm up about 250BB from 10k to 25k.

[whiskeytown]

almost...just need another 49000

RB

[stir]

You can't draw any firm conclusions from such a very small data base, 3,400.

What you can do is look for trends though. You are playing too many hands pre-flop. Tighten up pre-flop, especially in early position. And you should be much tighter as to what you play from the sb when playing $3/6, versus what is playable at $2/4.

Look at your results after you have loogged another 5,000 hands. Also I would not mix the results but split out $3/6. Or perhaps that won't be necessary, if you are playing $3/6 all the time now.

[Fnord]

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I stopped playing Axs and pairs first in from any position. I stopped playing ATo and KQo unless i'm in LP and there is only 1 or 2 limpers before me.

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ATo and KQo are light years apart. Gee... and I thought I was tight mucking KQo from UTG... MP and LP it's a raise if the pot is unraised (3-bet if a player in front has silly raising standards), otherwise it's a muck. Often enough you'll isolate the loose 2/4 players that just love to defend their blinds with all sorts of crap or get a cold call from a dominated hand.