So tempting

[tubbyspencer]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button (t835)
SB (t680)
BB (t775)
UTG (t1525)
UTG+1 (t560)
UTG+2 (t285)
MP1 (t880)
MP2 (t795)
Hero (t890)
CO (t775)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="CC3333">UTG raises to t60</font>, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP2 raises to t795 (All-In)</font>, <font color="666666">5 folds</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: t900
<font color="green">Main Pot: t165 (t165), won by MP2.</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: t735 (t735), returned to MP2.</font>


Is this an automatic fold? How about if there's no UTG min raise? Under what, if any circumstances, is this a call?

Or am I just being weak?

[adanthar]

The UTG minraise is absolutely worthless as a tell and the all in is a small pair/Axs/A9o 98.7% of the time. On the other hand, if he's a little bit better, it's actually AQ/AK and you're a coinflip. However, under no circumstances are you behind here, unless UTG is one of the 2% of Party players that are tricky enough *and* stupid enough to minraise KK at level 2 when 5 people will call it.

Basically, I'd want to know what type of hand UTG doubled up on, but I'd strongly lean towards calling here.

[tubbyspencer]

I understand that I am probably a favorite here. Perhaps somewhere in the neighborhood of 55 to 70%. (It's possible of course - that he doesnt even have one overcard - but I think that's generally unlikely.)

But, I have to ask myself if I want to call an all in when I'm probably looking at 2 overcards - and therefore only a small favorite.

And I have to consider the poeple still left to act. It's early - and it's Party. So if I get still another caller I may be looking at 3 overcards.

[adanthar]

The button by himself is going to *average* being a 70% dog. Sometimes, he'll have AK-AQ; much more often, he'll have a weak ace, AJ, or 44-TT.

UTG is actually more of real threat, but if he doubled up off a crap hand, I'm not afraid of him, either. Add in the potential callers behind, and...you're probably still a favorite.

Basically, I'd fold if I respected UTG's play, but this is Party /images/graemlins/wink.gif