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1800GAMBLER

08-26-2004, 11:08 PM

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 (2+2er) raises, 5 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 (2+2er) caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.66 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, 2+2er bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 2+2er 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls, 2+2er calls.

Turn: (12.33 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, 2+2er bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (15.33 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, 2+2er bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 18.33 BB
Main Pot: 18.33 BB, between UTG+1, 2+2er and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (18.33 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Kd Kh (two pair, kings and threes).
UTG+1 shows Jd Qd (two pair, queens and threes).
2+2er shows Jh Jc (two pair, jacks and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 18.33 BB.

James282

08-26-2004, 11:12 PM

Haha hope that wasn't one of the people I mentioned! P.S. You are up on me good you bastard, hurting my WR /images/graemlins/frown.gif Nice playin with you by the way /images/graemlins/smile.gif
-James

1800GAMBLER

08-26-2004, 11:17 PM

I've played awful in the past two days. Utterly awful. SO if you wanted you could find some hands with me being stupid in.

SoBeDude

08-26-2004, 11:22 PM

[ QUOTE ]
ActionBob makes a killing. I think MikeyHy does too. Lots of 2+2ers I recognize are crushing the game in my DB.
-James

[/ QUOTE ]

I chuckle as I read the occasional post questioning if the Party 15 games are beatable. We get one of those about once a month, don't we?

And in between we get a post from a recent braggert who used to boast on how he's killing the online games. He has now fallen on a 'bad run' and is quitting online play for a while.

Meanwhile many of us quietly take these games month after month at a truely disgusting win-rate.

-Scott

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 12:13 AM

[ QUOTE ]
What is astroglide's Party userid?

[/ QUOTE ]

is it kosher to take a guess publicly? I think I've got a good one.

surfdoc

08-27-2004, 01:00 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Meanwhile many of us quietly take these games month after month at a truely disgusting win-rate.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, so much for "quietly"

Nightwish

08-27-2004, 03:11 AM

I think it's OK to take 1 or 2 guesses.

AJo Go All In

08-27-2004, 04:01 AM

nice, i was just about to post something to that effect.

Senor Choppy

08-27-2004, 06:41 AM

I just want to know which 2+2er is tomitivo.

OrangeHeat

08-27-2004, 07:27 AM

"OMG ... OMG..... OMG....." tomitivo is hilarious.

I have a few guesses for Astrogilde too - I'll wait to see if anyone else has the same ones.

Orange

Paluka

08-27-2004, 08:03 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I just want to know which 2+2er is tomitivo.

[/ QUOTE ]

tomitivo is the all time partypoker leader in "lol"s.

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 09:23 AM

does the thread originator = tomitivo?

astroglide:

my best guess: OSCARGPM

also possibly (I'm sure he has three accounts, so I'd be surprised if I don't hit a couple of them)

Lakerman/Lakerman_

I could throw out about 7 names that are a close third, but that is my best shot.

Turning Stone Pro

08-27-2004, 09:40 AM

2 good guesses. I've had Lakerman pegged as a top player for a long time -- very consistent winner.

I dont think anyone plays more than OSCARGPM.

TSP

1800GAMBLER

08-27-2004, 09:49 AM

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, MP3 (OSCARGPM) calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds,

Flop: (7.66 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, OSCARGPM bets, Button folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, OSCARGPM bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (6.83 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, OSCARGPM checks.

Final Pot: 6.83 BB
Main Pot: 6.83 BB, between OSCARGPM and UTG+1. > Split: OSCARGPM (3.41 BB), UTG+1 (3.41 BB).

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 shows Td As (one pair, threes).
OSCARGPM shows Ad Tc (one pair, threes).
Outcome: OSCARGPM wins 3.41 BB. UTG+1 wins 3.41 BB. 

Doubtful.

People with big databases could find him. He's posted his PT stats somewhere. Search for them and then filter search your players for that then take a look at a few hands.

Happy Birthday.

Roy Hobbs

08-27-2004, 10:11 AM

I just played with him last night for the first time...certainly lively in the chat bar...

Roy Hobbs

08-27-2004, 10:13 AM

Didn't MS Sunshine used to post a list out of his database every once in a while?

RH

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 10:18 AM

thank you.

That is the process I used to double check.

I have maybe 10 players in my DB with 1k+ 15 hands.

One caveat - his posted stats are of the 3-6 variety, so I wonder if they are all that comparable to what his 15 stats would be. I also doubt he is making his claimed 3/100, though I would love to be proven wrong - and I say this purely because I feel 3/100 at 3/6 over 100k hands makes it very unlikely that player makes a similar rate at 15. possible yes, but I think unlikely. I think the 15 game is tough, and for someone to make 3 over a good sized sample would be very impressive.

I did hear word of another 2er making 6/100 over a 20k sample though, so who knows.

IlliniRyRy

08-27-2004, 10:25 AM

J_V is the best 15-30 player, and I seriously doubt it's even close.

OrangeHeat

08-27-2004, 10:55 AM

OSCARGPAM and the lakermen id's are top of my list too.

OSCARGPM is top just because that userid had been on there the entire time I have played with relative consistency.

Since I got Ptracker I show a slight profit on him - I take it all back it can't be astroglide /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Orange

OrangeHeat

08-27-2004, 10:58 AM

Happy B-Day!!

Orange

ActionBob

08-27-2004, 11:12 AM

I dont think anyone plays more than OSCARGPM.

Does this dude ever sleep?

-ActionBob

DrSavage

08-27-2004, 11:32 AM

[ QUOTE ]

astroglide:

my best guess: OSCARGPM

also possibly (I'm sure he has three accounts, so I'd be surprised if I don't hit a couple of them)

Lakerman/Lakerman_

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm 95% positive Lakerman is not Astroglide for what its worth. Happy birthday too.

Paluka

08-27-2004, 11:35 AM

Astroglide is not Lakerman I'm pretty sure.

ActionBob

08-27-2004, 11:41 AM

I just want to know which 2+2er is tomitivo.

This dude is an absolute riot to play with.

"omg omg omg omg lol lol lol"

-ActionBob

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 11:46 AM

I guess I'll have to agree with the two of you re:lakerman. I logged a fair amount of time with the guy at the 15 short, and I guess astro doesnt play that. I did think the lakerman / lakerman_ multiple IDs was intrigueing.

how about extraextra

or

beermeplease

JeffO

08-27-2004, 11:52 AM

Heres my guess

MGXOO

arx

08-27-2004, 11:52 AM

I am pretty sure....

Oscar Garcia Pelayo Madrid

Plays poker for a living....father and son from Madrid, Spain. Good friends with Juan Carlos Mortensen (WSOP 2001)

turnipmonster

08-27-2004, 11:54 AM

I think you guys are off base if you want to find someone's user id that is concerned about privacy. what would someone who wanted to remain anonymous do quite frequently if they wished to be anonymous? they would change their username as much as possible. so the username is a moving target. what's not a moving target? session time and stats.

--turnipmonster

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 11:54 AM

that makes sense, ty.

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 11:56 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Heres my guess

MGXOO

[/ QUOTE ]

THis seems very plausible.

OrangeHeat

08-27-2004, 11:57 AM

Off the subject slightly...

Is the consensus that it is better to be anonymous?

Orange

OrangeHeat

08-27-2004, 11:59 AM

MGXOO - seems like this would be the guy running the MAGOO games at the excalibur...forget his handle.

Orange

BTW - Does anyone know what city/state/country Astro is from????? Seems a logical starting place.

Paluka

08-27-2004, 12:05 PM

[ QUOTE ]
how about extraextra

or

beermeplease

[/ QUOTE ]

I know beermeplease, it isn't Astro.

OrangeHeat

08-27-2004, 12:06 PM

From the archives:

"the admiral downtown still exists and still has a poker room, but i along with most others haven't been there in like a year. as i understand it, 4/8 spread limit (1/2 blinds) and 1-5 spread limit stud are the only games played.

ameristar in st. charles has all of the action - it's about 30 minutes from downtown. 20/40 holdem is the biggest limit (due to the lame missouri loss limit - $500 purchase limit every 2 hours, $1000 purchase per day max). there's also stud (i believe 1/4), low limit holdem (i believe 3/6 and 6/12), and 10/20 omaha/8 and holdem. " - Astroglide

"Hi astro, do I know you? " - Coilean

"probably. i'm justin, who may be better remembered as 50% of 'justin and trey'.

and i've been playing almost exclusively online, so what do i know? " - Astroglide

So some city in the St.Charles Missouri area?

orange

Paluka

08-27-2004, 12:11 PM

I know who Astro is, and where he lives. But none of this has helped me figure out his handle. Also, what makes you think he doesn't change it often? He isn't a sentimental guy, he is not going to be an idiot and keep the same handle forever just because he likes it. Only morons like me do that.

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 12:13 PM

can someone explain to me the importance on anonymity? Maybe I need to try and change my name, but I don't understand what good it will do me? If people actually think I'm a good player, wouldn't it be nice if other thinking players tended to avoid your table?

turnipmonster

08-27-2004, 12:28 PM

in a player base as large as the 15/30, it would be hard to figure out. party poker lets you change your username what, every 6 months? so if I actually cared who he was and had a big pokertracker db, I would look for roughly the same session times/lengths, basically the same stats and narrow it down to a group of players (in pokertracker) that are probably actually the same person. you could confirm this by cross checking to see if there's any overlap between suspect user ids. if there's not, it's probably the same person who changed their id. once you have suspects, add them to your buddy list and see who changes their username regularly.

I would also try and pare it down based on info from 2+2, which I won't go into.

I am quite sure someone could figure out his past string of usernames just by doing the above, but his current one would be harder but possible. all of this is obviously conjecture on how you might do it, in reality all I care is that astro frequently posts excellent strategy advice and seems to want his privacy respected.

--turnipmonster

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 12:38 PM

[ QUOTE ]
in reality all I care is that astro frequently posts excellent strategy advice and seems to want his privacy respected.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well said. I can respect this.

J_V

08-27-2004, 12:45 PM

No duh. But I'm considering retirement as the Party Poker ghanja rules are unfair. Lakerman = Astro...sounds like a possibility to me.

Nightwish

08-27-2004, 01:01 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Heres my guess

MGXOO

[/ QUOTE ]
I highly doubt it.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
4 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button (MGXOO) calls, 1 fold, BB calls,

Flop: (8.66 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, MGXOO calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.83 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, MGXOO calls.

River: (8.83 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, MGXOO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.83 BB
Main Pot: 11.83 BB, between MP3, MGXOO and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (11.83 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Kc Kh (one pair, kings).
MP3 shows Th 9d (high card, ace).
MGXOO shows Qs 9s (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.83 BB.

Nightwish

08-27-2004, 01:05 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I just want to know which 2+2er is tomitivo.

This dude is an absolute riot to play with.

"omg omg omg omg lol lol lol"

[/ QUOTE ]
I had to turn off his chat because that [censored] was driving me up the wall.

Paluka

08-27-2004, 01:08 PM

[ QUOTE ]
No duh. But I'm considering retirement as the Party Poker ghanja rules are unfair. Lakerman = Astro...sounds like a possibility to me.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm almost certain this isn't true. Lakerman plays on stars as well, and I chatted with him the other night while playing. Unless Justin was doing a heckuva acting job, it ain't him.

tom

08-27-2004, 01:15 PM

maybe astroglide is tomitivo

sorry, couldn't resist. doubtful tomitivo is a two+two'er

DrSavage

08-27-2004, 01:39 PM

[ QUOTE ]

I'm almost certain this isn't true. Lakerman plays on stars as well, and I chatted with him the other night while playing. Unless Justin was doing a heckuva acting job, it ain't him.

[/ QUOTE ]

Lakerman has been playing 15 for much longer than astro.

jerome baker

08-27-2004, 01:43 PM

my guess is cmangoo are something like that.

turnipmonster

08-27-2004, 01:44 PM

if you guys are assuming he doesn't change his username as much as possible, I continue to think you are way off base. what I posted before assumes that he does change his username as much as possible, something that few people probably do.

DcifrThs

08-27-2004, 01:56 PM

[ QUOTE ]
can someone explain to me the importance on anonymity? Maybe I need to try and change my name, but I don't understand what good it will do me? If people actually think I'm a good player, wouldn't it be nice if other thinking players tended to avoid your table?

[/ QUOTE ]

I started out as dcifrths. but then people started knowing who i was through this site and through party poker. personally, i love that name b/c i think its witty etc. and if you've had the displeasure of knowing me you know i'm the dumbest sarcastic person there is so its kind of a fitting name...

but then the buddy list thing started and people i didn't know pm'd too much...i like talking over aim or party to people i know and like AND/or respect (i can say i respect got and have talked with him on occasion) but too much is too much and it annoyed me so i changed my name.

thats one part of it.

the other is that i liked the anonymity it provided. i could sneak up and put a beating on people that never would have called even those 1 or two times...and the flip side is i got a fold or two our of people that might not ever have considered folding at that time...but thats life...

anyways, overall i think its good to have 1 or 2 people you talk to regularly to keep you in line and in check and im kinda sad sort of that i dont get to play as much online anymore as school has kept me busy and moving etc...but that is life as well...

enon and i have talked a bunch and through party and 2+2 we got to go to vegas together...it was an amazing time and he's a great guy if you get to meet him. so if not for 2+2 and DCIFRTHS i would never have met him. in fact, i don't remember who talked to who first or whatver but thats probably b/c im retarted...

and through vegas and 2+2 ive met clarkNASTY and sincityguy and DANS and hiatusover etc. etc. etc. and clark's boss who is hilarious if you get in a tipping war with him. and i've gotten to UNDERSTAND poker a lot through dr. nasty (clark).

and now Coilean is coming to pick up my non-car-having ass so we can go NOT LOSE NOT LOSE NOT LOSE at the ameristar lol...so what is the probability that two players with lets say for guessing purposes have a win rate of 1bb/hour, give or take, BOTH losing the exact same # of bb's in give or take 4 hour difference time span??? dunno...don't care really but its fun lol

man, i can ramble. im not even going to reread this...so its a 4 mile run for me and im off after a few posts that mean something ...

and astro's id is XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ...

-Barron

PS- yea itd be nice to know...but will you really remember or care in 20 years? whatever, PEACE folk

PPS- i also know i probably forgot people so im sorry but this post is literally without a point anyway so i apologize profusely.

PPPS- again, im sorry for the ramblings.

Ulysses

08-27-2004, 02:07 PM

[ QUOTE ]
J_V is the best 15-30 player, and I seriously doubt it's even close.

[/ QUOTE ]

JV. Hahaha. What a clown.

All this detective work is hilarious. Anyone who really cared could find out very easily based on some info that has been posted in the past. Since astro doesn't want to be found, I won't point you to that info and how exactly you could easily identify him. Suckers.

BTW, one of my secret IDs has been posted in this thread. You won't be able to narrow it down based on location, since it's not registered under my name. And that's all you get.

We need Vehn and a Junior Plant Detective post.

OrangeHeat

08-27-2004, 02:08 PM

I haven't seen WEIRDMEXICANHERO posted in this thread anywhere.........

Orange

Paluka

08-27-2004, 02:09 PM

[quoteand now Coilean is coming to pick up my non-car-having ass so we can go NOT LOSE NOT LOSE NOT LOSE at the ameristar lol

[/ QUOTE ]

I can assure you that having Coilean drive you around is a good idea. I acquired tasty Indian cuisine using this method.

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 02:14 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Since astro doesn't want to be found, I won't point you to that info and how exactly you could easily identify him. Suckers.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's cool, you now protect astro's interests. Are you implying you know what his name is or how to find it? You are so smart.

[ QUOTE ]
What is astroglide's Party userid?

[/ QUOTE ]

May I remind you that you stirred this up when you wrote this as the very first response to this thread?

ike

08-27-2004, 02:17 PM

i've had a standing HU challenge for tomitivo for about a week. he accepted then changed his mind, i really wish i'd gotten the chance to shut that moron up.

Turning Stone Pro

08-27-2004, 02:26 PM

the more i like him.

TSP

DcifrThs

08-27-2004, 02:29 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[quoteand now Coilean is coming to pick up my non-car-having ass so we can go NOT LOSE NOT LOSE NOT LOSE at the ameristar lol

[/ QUOTE ]

I can assure you that having Coilean drive you around is a good idea. I acquired tasty Indian cuisine using this method.

[/ QUOTE ]

interesting post format. my hungover stomach cannot possibly handle food right now let alone indian food.

do you live in missouri? if so pm me and lemme know what you're deal is.

-Barron

Paluka

08-27-2004, 02:31 PM

[ QUOTE ]

do you live in missouri? if so pm me and lemme know what you're deal is.

-Barron

[/ QUOTE ]

Heck no. He drove me around in Vegas.

astroglide

08-27-2004, 02:32 PM

omg lol geniuses

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 02:33 PM

[ QUOTE ]
omg lol geniuses

[/ QUOTE ]

tomitivo in the flesh :P

DcifrThs

08-27-2004, 02:33 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

do you live in missouri? if so pm me and lemme know what you're deal is.

-Barron

[/ QUOTE ]

Heck no. He drove me around in Vegas.

[/ QUOTE ]

hmmm...i'll have to ask whether he drove to vegas...he'll be here in an hour...first time i'll be in his car.

also, you should try getting a ride w/ clark ... cool car...rap music before drunken poker...good time...

-Barron

astroglide

08-27-2004, 02:39 PM

happy birthday

turnipmonster

08-27-2004, 02:41 PM

he would never have posted that if he hadn't changed his username since then, I can almost guarantee you that.

--turnipmonster

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 02:41 PM

thanks astro.

astroglide

08-27-2004, 02:49 PM

el diablo doesn't know my ids, but if i were to tell them to anybody else it would be him. so far i've only told one person.

stoxtrader

08-27-2004, 02:53 PM

fair enough, and I don't really mind, I just want someone to explain to me the benefits of secrecy so I can spend more time on my unknown accounts. It seems to me there is as much of a benefit in being known as there is in being unknown.

SoBeDude

08-27-2004, 02:54 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I dont think anyone plays more than OSCARGPM.

Does this dude ever sleep?

-ActionBob

[/ QUOTE ]

I think Oscargpm is too tight and he can be pushed around. but when he pushes back, fold. But my DB shows him only seeing 15% of the flops. Thats flat out too tight.

But man he sure does play a ton.

-Scott

astroglide

08-27-2004, 02:57 PM

i honestly don't know that it's better, i just don't want to deal with 2+2ers on here/in chat as a result of it being known.

DcifrThs

08-27-2004, 03:01 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I've played awful in the past two days. Utterly awful. SO if you wanted you could find some hands with me being stupid in.

[/ QUOTE ]

jay,

your posts are 99.99999999% of the time read by me without laughing out loud. this was the 00.000000001% of the posts in which i did indeed laugh out loud. especially the "stupid in" part /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-Barron

SoBeDude

08-27-2004, 03:04 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I guess I'll have to agree with the two of you re:lakerman. I logged a fair amount of time with the guy at the 15 short, and I guess astro doesnt play that. I did think the lakerman / lakerman_ multiple IDs was intrigueing.

how about extraextra

or

beermeplease

[/ QUOTE ]

Ive recently been noticing extraextra15. he's quite solid, and winning a healthy amount for my limted # of hands I have for him.

-Scott

Joe Tall

08-27-2004, 03:32 PM

Gamboler,

Whey didn't you c/r the turn? That's an easy c/r.

Peace,
Joe Tal

tom

08-27-2004, 04:11 PM

u c i knew astro was tomitivo

Sully

08-27-2004, 04:15 PM

[ QUOTE ]

Ive recently been noticing extraextra15. he's quite solid, and winning a healthy amount for my limted # of hands I have for him.

-Scott

[/ QUOTE ]

Wow, surprised to hear that about extraextra15: 482 hands, -10.99 BB/100, -$1,480.50. I guess I've caught him on a cold streak.

Nightwish

08-27-2004, 04:32 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Ive recently been noticing extraextra15. he's quite solid, and winning a healthy amount for my limted # of hands I have for him.

-Scott

[/ QUOTE ]

Wow, surprised to hear that about extraextra15: 482 hands, -10.99 BB/100, -$1,480.50. I guess I've caught him on a cold streak.

[/ QUOTE ]
You're looking at the wrong stats.

SoBeDude

08-27-2004, 05:26 PM

Or perhaps I caught him on a hot streak?

-S

lefty rosen

08-27-2004, 05:33 PM

KY Jelly.........

MMMMMM

08-27-2004, 05:41 PM

I seem to remember Lakerman from the first year or so when Paradise opened for business. And yes, he was tough then too.

SoBeDude

08-27-2004, 05:54 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I dont think anyone plays more than OSCARGPM.

Does this dude ever sleep?

-ActionBob

[/ QUOTE ]

I think Oscargpm is too tight and he can be pushed around. but when he pushes back, fold. But my DB shows him only seeing 15% of the flops. Thats flat out too tight.

But man he sure does play a ton.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just out of curiousity, I checked my "$ won from/lost to" stat for OSCARG. In almost 3000 hands played together, we've been in the same pot twice.

Twice.

-Scott

tom

08-27-2004, 06:07 PM

clearly he either fears you, or you fear him. maybe one of you needs to be added to the best player list?

Enon

08-27-2004, 07:32 PM

I've done a thorough PT investigation and still don't have a definite answer but I strongly suspect MasterTQ might be one of the handles.

1800GAMBLER

08-27-2004, 10:16 PM

Are you kidding or just being results biased? Seriously .... id like to reason your reasons.

Inthacup

08-28-2004, 02:20 AM

Are you still officially Snakehead's bitch? just curious

Cup

cornell2005

08-28-2004, 02:22 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Gamboler,

Whey didn't you c/r the turn? That's an easy c/r.

Peace,
Joe Tal

[/ QUOTE ]

hi. i dont play limit and i can see that a turn c/r is very bad /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Saborion

08-28-2004, 04:36 AM

Since I know who Lakerman is, I seriously doubt it's Astro.

DeeJ

08-28-2004, 06:11 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I think Oscargpm is too tight and he can be pushed around. but when he pushes back, fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

Wandering through Party 15/30 for an inspection, came across following.... am I somewhat off but is calling A6o late position "too tight"? I don't do this often.. (hole?!) He then raises when he hits the ace but gets reraised, and then calls. Don't know anything about the game conditions, just this hand interested me....

***** Hand History for Game 888183471 *****
Table Table 14215 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: OSCARGPM ( $665 )
Seat 3: degenerateX ( $1636 )
Seat 4: NiHanSir ( $722 )
Seat 5: LovelyRita ( $1906 )
Seat 6: TDKT2OO2 ( $832 )
Seat 7: Zombie_Jesus ( $1163.5 )
Seat 8: stinsojo ( $715.5 )
Seat 10: PeterTheGem ( $1032 )
Seat 9: tnakas ( $705 )
Seat 1: RufusFirefly ( $750 )
NiHanSir posts small blind [$10].
LovelyRita posts big blind [$15].
** Dealing down cards **
TDKT2OO2 folds.
Zombie_Jesus folds.
stinsojo calls [$15].
tnakas calls [$15].
PeterTheGem calls [$15].
OSCARGPM calls [$15].
degenerateX folds.
NiHanSir calls [$5].
LovelyRita checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, Qd, As ]
NiHanSir bets [$15].
LovelyRita calls [$15].
stinsojo folds.
tnakas calls [$15].
PeterTheGem folds.
OSCARGPM raises [$30].
NiHanSir raises [$30].
LovelyRita folds.
tnakas folds.
OSCARGPM calls [$15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
NiHanSir bets [$30].
OSCARGPM calls [$30].
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
NiHanSir bets [$30].
OSCARGPM calls [$30].
NiHanSir shows [ Ad, 3s ] two pairs, aces and threes.
OSCARGPM doesn't show [ 6d, Ac ] a pair of aces.
NiHanSir wins $327 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and threes.

bicyclekick

08-28-2004, 07:51 PM

My guess - clickclick

Schneids

08-31-2004, 04:01 AM

[ QUOTE ]
No duh. But I'm considering retirement as the Party Poker ghanja rules are unfair. Lakerman = Astro...sounds like a possibility to me.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know who lakerman is, and I promise you it's not Astro.

bicyclekick

08-31-2004, 10:26 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No duh. But I'm considering retirement as the Party Poker ghanja rules are unfair. Lakerman = Astro...sounds like a possibility to me.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know who lakerman is, and I promise you it's not Astro.

[/ QUOTE ]

ahh, so it's vehn.

Renaud Desferet

09-03-2004, 10:03 PM

Caution : he must be the same than paradise's lakerman.
I think Lakerman has some serious tightness problems on the flop (ie he has to be too tight) : he plays the flop 19% of the time and then the turn 70% of the time.
For information, I have 20/77 numbers, and other good players are far more in my ballpark on the second one. The difference between 77 and 70 is actually huge. Seriously, u have to steal a lot from him on the flop. Or maybe he is good enough to adapt his play to yours, but he still seems "nit" to me.

Turning Stone Pro

09-04-2004, 07:37 AM

Hodgmac
Bluto
QueenBBest
Aramatized
Decrazzed

yes? no? maybe?

TSP

SoBeDude

09-05-2004, 04:21 PM

I play just about every day on party, and I've never run in to 4 out of the 5, and the other I've played with only once.

-Scott

Turning Stone Pro

09-05-2004, 07:18 PM

Now that I think about it, the 4 I mentioned play mostly short-handed like I do.

Another guess . . . Morningcalm?

TSP

mmcd

09-05-2004, 08:27 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Now that I think about it, the 4 I mentioned play mostly short-handed like I do.

Another guess . . . Morningcalm?

TSP

[/ QUOTE ]

I doubt it:

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG (morningcalm) calls, Hero raises, 7 folds, UTG (morningcalm) calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
morningcalm checks, Hero bets, morningcalm calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
morningcalm checks, Hero bets, morningcalm calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
morningcalm checks, Hero bets, morningcalm calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB
Main Pot: 7.75 BB, between morningcalm and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (7.75 BB).

Results :
morningcalm shows Ac 2c (two pair, eights and twos).
Hero shows Ks As (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 7.75 BB.

joker122

09-05-2004, 08:59 PM

Just a qeustion - if you do guess right who are you expecting to verify it?

SoBeDude

09-05-2004, 09:15 PM

according to my DB, morningcalm is pretty loose.

-Scott

Enon

09-05-2004, 09:28 PM

Cmon guys, check out my best guess after tons of research:

MasterTq (after 1000 hands in database):

-VP$IP: 24%
-PFR: 9.7%
-Went to SD: 36%
-Won at showdown: 63%

I'm probably wrong, but these numbers most likely match the real Astro's stats.

Schneids

09-05-2004, 11:12 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No duh. But I'm considering retirement as the Party Poker ghanja rules are unfair. Lakerman = Astro...sounds like a possibility to me.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know who lakerman is, and I promise you it's not Astro.

[/ QUOTE ]

ahh, so it's vehn.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know who Vehn is, and Vehn is not Lakerman. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

stripsqueez

09-06-2004, 01:44 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Now that I think about it, the 4 I mentioned play mostly short-handed like I do

[/ QUOTE ]

well i only have 9,500 players in my 15/30, 10/20 6 max database but other then QueenBbest none of these guys play 6 max - QueenBbest is a chook as best i can tell

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

MMMMMM

09-06-2004, 02:20 AM

morningcalm had 70K on the table one night on Party.

skp

09-06-2004, 03:08 AM

You guys read way too much into these kind of hands. IMO, it proves nothing. Now, if you were to post a whole bunch of shaky looking plays, then that might be something.

Incidentally, this guy morningcalm (I have never played against him) played the flop, turn and river just fine on this hand.

mmcd

09-06-2004, 02:41 PM

I don't think that proves anything one way or another. I'm sure morningcalm's a winning player in the 15 game there. morningcalms alright, but he's just a little to sloppy to be a real good player. I've often wondered why the hell people would keep that much money on one of these online sites. I trust tem for the most part, but not enough to keep unnecessary excess money there. Never mind the fact that you're missinmg out on any interest payments. I guess what bothers me most, what would you do if you logged in one day and your money was gone. You call up the site and the they you to go f-ck yourself. Keeping 70k on a pokersite (especially one who's highest game is 30/60) is just foolish.

InternetPokerPro

09-06-2004, 03:10 PM

I have logged over 200,000 hands of Party 15/30. Only 4 of the top 25 winners in Party 15/30 are even mentioned in this thread.

I won't post my list of the top 20 because I don't want them all changing their names after they are outed.

Turning Stone Pro

09-06-2004, 03:47 PM

was "jsdressner" one of them?

Steve Giufre

09-06-2004, 04:11 PM

I was thinking the same thing. Agaist plenty of opponents getting to a showdown once he makes the 2 on the turn has to be correct.

SoBeDude

09-06-2004, 04:21 PM

Maybe he just won a tourney?

I have a friend who won two of the big ones in December. Then in a money game some knucklehead started running his mouth at the table about my friend, so he brought 120K to the table.

You never saw someone shut up so fast.

And yes, he cashed it out pretty quickly over the next couple of days.

-Scott

mmcd

09-06-2004, 05:17 PM

I have no problem w him getting to showdown once he gets the 2, but the preflop utg limp is absolutely atrocious, and I'm not a huge fan of the checkcall on the flop. I think a checkraise would clearly be better if he decided to play that flop. (given the decent possibility that I could have non-spade big cards) Also, do you think he would bet the river if a non-spade fell. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have even though he should have. I've seen this kind of sloppy play out of him on several occasions. While he is at the very least in top half of players in that thirty game, I certainly wouldn't rank him in the top 10 or even top 15.

Steve Giufre

09-06-2004, 06:42 PM

I agree that the preflop limp is horrible. The check call on the flop is questionable since the ace wont be an out a decent amount of time in this situation. I do think the turn and river are fine, even know it's very player dependant, and I would fold agaist more passive players. I think we are probably on the same page here.

tom

09-07-2004, 06:42 PM

being rich doesn't make one good, but sure beats being poor.

Sully

09-08-2004, 01:36 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Caution : he must be the same than paradise's lakerman.
I think Lakerman has some serious tightness problems on the flop (ie he has to be too tight) : he plays the flop 19% of the time and then the turn 70% of the time.
For information, I have 20/77 numbers, and other good players are far more in my ballpark on the second one. The difference between 77 and 70 is actually huge. Seriously, u have to steal a lot from him on the flop. Or maybe he is good enough to adapt his play to yours, but he still seems "nit" to me.

[/ QUOTE ]

Where do you find these numbers in Pokertracker? My preflop numbers seem to match those of the better players, but my win rate is nowhere near where it should be. Would love to know where I might fit in on these stats.

Thanks!

SA125

09-08-2004, 01:45 AM

As much as I respect Astro's knowledge of the game and insight here - here's a reply to this kiss ass thread that won't die.

Astro's Party name - WGAF?

El Diablo? - he's just jealous he didn't make the initial cut. Although I'd only bet against him with someone else's chips.

builtiz

12-14-2004, 07:56 PM

My top 4:

WHATCOUNTRY
Stoxtrader
Supergumby
Morningcalm

people like OSCARGPM, MGXOO play a little conservative in my book and ive seen oscar make some bad plays.

I know I hate sitting at a table with the above 4, and im glad they have been playing less

Turning Stone Pro

12-14-2004, 08:06 PM

A few years ago at the Stone, before both went big time, I used to play with supergumby and midnightsun7 in the regular red chip game. That was one tough table . . .

TSP

sthief09

12-14-2004, 08:42 PM

big time = ?

stoxtrader

12-15-2004, 09:39 AM

I'm playing a bit less because december is a busy month at work. It's also because I play under a couple of other aliases more often now, besides stoxtrader2.

mosta

12-15-2004, 03:13 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Cmon guys, check out my best guess after tons of research:

MasterTq (after 1000 hands in database):

-VP$IP: 24%
-PFR: 9.7%
-Went to SD: 36%
-Won at showdown: 63%

I'm probably wrong, but these numbers most likely match the real Astro's stats.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not trying to ID the guy, but I thought Astro's stats were over 40% for showdown from flop and under 50% for winning at showdown. I know they were for the 3-6 database, and I thought it'd been indicated that they were comparable for 15-30. Or maybe it was only in 3-6. Anyway, I was just surprized that he could be successful (which I believe) with those numbers, since various sources of conventional wisdom claim that your win at SD "has" to be between 55%-60%. And so it got me thinking more about how to play the Party game.