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prayformojo
08-25-2004, 11:52 AM
Does anyone play this any differently? SB is loose, an aggressive but not maniacal raiser, and plays pretty passively postflop.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Does this turn deserve a bet agaisnt a PFR, or should I reap the benefit of my flop bet and take the free card?

River: (6 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

bisonbison
08-25-2004, 11:57 AM
Turn check good. The cap is tough I think only because you posted the hand and therefore I have an impending sense of doom.

sthief09
08-25-2004, 11:58 AM
cap preflop. I like the turn check. an aggressive player who raised preflop and checked the flop usually has a big hand, probably something like AJ, or maybe JJ, so he's probably check-raising you. even if he doesn't have much, he'll have a hand that you dominate like AQ, so a free card isn't so bad.

river play is fine against an aggressive player. I think he's got AJ

arkady
08-25-2004, 12:06 PM
i think he got JQ or MAYBE JTs

MarkD
08-25-2004, 12:15 PM
You simply must cap pre-flop. I'm going to paraphrase Clarkmeister simply because by doing so the statement will carry more weight (although me and a friend came to the exact same conclusion long before I read it on here from Clark): When you raise from steal position and get reraised from one of the blinds you should almost always cap it when you have an actual hand (and I consider an actual hand to be much less than AK in this spot).

prayformojo
08-25-2004, 12:19 PM
To be honest, the cap advice took me by surprise, but your reasoning fills me with a warm fuzzy feeling. I wasn't even thinking of this PF raise as a blind steal, just as an obvious raising hand, but of course plenty of opponents in the blinds would see it that way.

I love learning new things about this game.

prayformojo
08-25-2004, 12:22 PM
SB turns over JJ for flopped quads. Duly noted.

sthief09
08-25-2004, 12:23 PM
I think you should usually cap even when you don't have a hand. the 1 SB investment will win you the pot often enough to make it worthwhile.

sthief09
08-25-2004, 12:24 PM
you should be capping with AK anyway, even when you're not in steal position.

SomethingClever
08-25-2004, 12:43 PM
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SB turns over JJ for flopped quads. Duly noted.

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Did you type, "Why do you hate money?" into the chat box?

vulturesrow
08-25-2004, 12:50 PM
Dude, he just got done watching the WSOP and using newly learned hella cool pro tactics. Dont hate the playa, hate the game! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

MarkD
08-25-2004, 12:52 PM
Often yes. This type of play is dependent on the specific blind though as it could become very expensive trying to ram your janky hand through after capping pre-flop.

MarkD
08-25-2004, 12:53 PM
I'll echo this sentiment as well. It is a rare situation where you should not be capping with AK after someone 3-bets you.

Clarkmeister
08-25-2004, 11:46 PM
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I'm going to paraphrase Clarkmeister simply because by doing so the statement will carry more weight

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You seem to have a hang up on this.

arkady
08-26-2004, 01:28 AM
he loves you