Frustrating hand

10-20 game, fairly loose. I'm in the cut-off with

Jc-Jd. 3 limpers to me , I raise, BB calls, all call. 5 to see the flop.

The flop comes J-Q-K rainbow.

Checked to me, I bet, BB raises, MP calls, I re-raise, all call.

The turn is another Q. The board is J-Q-K-Q

Checked to me, I bet, all call.

The river is a K. BB bets out. MP drops.

I know I'm beat, the whole table knows I'm beat, Helen Keller, Stevie wonder, and Ray Charles know I'm beat. The whole play of his hand screams of a K or Q.

So of course I called! Is there anyone out there that's as stubborn as I am, and doesn't lay their hand down?

Results:

$

$

$


The sneaky SOB turn's over pocket 10's and I take it down!

Haven't we seen this situation a lot before? Of

course you made the crying call and won.


So how can the hand be fustrating?

come on, this is a terrible call on my part. Had I not posted the results, which in retrospect was another bad decision, I'd have everyone telling me this is an easy fold. Or do you believe this is a correct crying call?

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It's a long-ago 2+2 thread. Sklansky even acknowledges he will change his future writings based on it!

BB didn't reraise on the flop. That plus there is enough in the pot to throw in those "I'm beat" chips.


I have folded a lot of winners, but I would have called also.

I would think that the only reason a person with a K or Q would check the turn is to check-raise; otherwise they bet. The fact that they did not do either gives me reason to call. I only have to be right a small percentage of the time(I didn't calculate the actual %)

The call stinks.


However, you will hardly be costing yourself much by calling one bet on the river with counterfeited full-houses.

What a great post! Thanks Paul.

It is aweful, huh?

Yes, but it's no big deal. You won a 13.5 big bet pot. Now you can make that same call another 13 times, lose every time, and be break-even on calling with counterfeited full-houses. That should last you into the next decade.


I would probably make the same terrible call as well and expect to lose. I don't make big laydowns on the river in bit pots. I make my big laydowns early in the hand.