PP 25NL - Do you make this call?

[casinogosain]

Relatively new to the table - not that it matters that much on PP 25NL...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 ($20.15)
MP2 ($26.45)
<font color="C00000">MP3 ($21.25)</font>
CO ($28.75)
Button ($3.75)
SB ($41.45)
BB ($24.25)
<font color="C00000">CasinoGosain ($23)</font>
UTG+1 ($25.30)

Preflop: CasinoGosain is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
CasinoGosain calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, <font color="CC3333">MP3 raises to $21.25 (All-In)</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds

Your Move?

-Ash

[MarcoPolo]

I would think even at PP it would matter if you're new to the table. If you don't know the types of hands he goes all in with then it's hard to determine if you should make this call or not.

Given that you've got the best non-pair hand possible pre-flop, it's probably the right move to call it. If he does have a pair (as long as it's not AA or KK) you're getting pretty good odds anyways.

That's what I feel at least, I'm sure others will disagree.

EDITED: Also, what dmk said.

[dmk]

umm, raise first in preflop?

[MarcoPolo]

I was going back to edit my post to add the same thing. You beat me to the punch!

[casinogosain]

I agree with the raise pre-flop - I unfortunately checked the call button after I had typed in my raise (to $2).

-Ash

[schwza]

definitely call. people who make huge overbets usually do it with mediocre hands like 88 or AT. it's rare to see it with a premium hand.

[Wayfare]

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definitely call. people who make huge overbets usually do it with mediocre hands like 88 or AT. it's rare to see it with a premium hand.

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Hehe, the DrPublo / Wayfare move of honor is to get AA or KK and just push. Exactly this type of thinking gets their stack. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[casinogosain]

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definitely call. people who make huge overbets usually do it with mediocre hands like 88 or AT. it's rare to see it with a premium hand.

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Hehe, the DrPublo / Wayfare move of honor is to get AA or KK and just push. Exactly this type of thinking gets their stack. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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This was my fear, because I too use this move from time to time.

Maybe fear is an exaggeration.

-Ash

[casinogosain]

I make the call and am shown aces.
I'd probably make the call again.

-Ash

[Wayfare]

The DrPublo move of honor!!!

[MarcoPolo]

Too funny. I'll have to remember that one, now that I have a name for it.

[Calibus]

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Hehe, the DrPublo / Wayfare move of honor is to get AA or KK and just push. Exactly this type of thinking gets their stack.

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The ol' idiot theory. You gotta love it.

Calibus

[GimmeDaWatch]

Guesss Im alone here, but without seeing the guy play a lick, Id fold. You're hoping for a weaker ace, and any other raising hand (even if the guy is a donkey with a small pair) is a crapshoot or else you're owned. If it were $4 or $5 I might call, but you're basically just making a guess at whether the guy is a Party idiot or a guy trying to take advantage of Party idiots (and as noted previously, if he is the former, you could still easily lose). Just my 1+1 sense.

[Wayfare]

That someone actually used this move successfully on me last night at a $50 NL table. However, he was a legitimate maniac and was massively betting on every street.

I had AK and he had KK, and when he won I thought "oh god why didn't I listen to my own 2+2 post?"

[gytten]

I'd say it's an easy laydown at a pp25 table(if no read), sure you'll probobly get 50/50 on your money(mayby he's got AA/KK mayby a smaller pair, and AK AQ AJ A10 is also possible), but do you really want to flip a coin for your money? the pot he did make the move on was very small, no point it calling. At the pp25 tables you can easily outplay most of your opponents, no need to gamble for the money imo.

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[TakeMeToTheRiver]

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definitely call. people who make huge overbets usually do it with mediocre hands like 88 or AT. it's rare to see it with a premium hand.

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Hehe, the DrPublo / Wayfare move of honor is to get AA or KK and just push. Exactly this type of thinking gets their stack. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Quite often it wins you only $0.75 or $1.25 in an unraised pot... may be good to mix it in if you are at a table for a long time and feel that it is 50/50 to get a caller -- but I don't see it as being the best move at a new table.

[dt133]

This is an easy fold, unless you have mistaken yourself for being in a tourney. You're risking your entire stack for at best, a coin flip. Even for party idiots, they have a small-mid pair or Ax. At least in ring games, you got to be patient for the large edges.

[casinogosain]

To summarize - I knew I was likely a coinflip - really didn't think that AA/KK were out against me, as the the chance of picking up only the blinds seems like reason enough not to push. And so I decided to gamble.

-Ash