View Full Version : and then the board paired......
ipp147
08-23-2004, 10:42 AM
Comments on all streets pleased and then the river decision,
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Button ($211.35)
SB ($99.25)
BB ($98)
UTG ($126.45)
Hero ($99.85)
UTG+2 ($127)
MP1 ($113.23)
MP2 ($123.65)
MP3 ($124.35)
CO ($71.72)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks,
Flop: ($10) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, MP1 calls $4, MP2 folds, SB folds, BB folds.
Turn: ($18) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP1 bets $10</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $25</font>, MP1 calls $15.
River: ($68) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero ?????
square444
08-23-2004, 11:56 AM
This depends on what kind of player he is. If he's the kind of player that would just call with a set on the flop with three hearts, then maybe he does have the set. I think you would have been raised on the flop if he had two-pair. If he is the type of opposition that would "slow-play" his trips or two-pair, and then bet it with four hearts out there, then you should fold. However, my guess is a K-high flush or he was trying to represent the flush on the turn. I'd probably pay off a full here most of the time.
Now keep in mind that I'm inexperienced (especially with reading hands) so this could all be completely off.
First of all, why would you call this hand UTG? It's a clear preflop fold, especially unsuited.
I agree that this is a situation where you should push on the turn. Two pair with T is unlikely, since three T are out. A set would be more aggressive on the flop and sure wouldn't call on the turn. I guess he's representing the acehigh flush or has the jack of hearts.
Marc H
08-23-2004, 02:03 PM
I can easily see MP1 calling the flop bet with a flush or a 4-flush of his own. Highly unlikely he has KK since there's no pre-flop raise. Pocket 6s are *possible* but the turn bet suggests hearts -- he may have the Jack, he's now seen the Kh and Qh and doesn't believe you have the Ace.
I hope you bet heavily for value!
schwza
08-23-2004, 03:49 PM
pre-flop: fold.
flop: i'd make a full pot bet. if someone raises, push.
turn: i would make the check-raise bigger. you want to charge a set to draw, and you want to get value from the J /images/graemlins/heart.gif or 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif.
river: tough.... i'd bet 30 and call a push. about the only reasonable hands you're behind are 66, KT, and J /images/graemlins/heart.gif9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif.
ipp147
08-23-2004, 04:44 PM
Ok, first things first, the preflop limp was just wrong. Having switched from another site to PP for NL ring games recently,I had acclimatised on the $25 tables. I don't think I adjusted myself properly.
Postflop, possibly should have led out with a bigger bet on the flop. I wanted to keep some people with weaker single /images/graemlins/heart.gif draws with me.
On the turn when he called the raise I pretty much put him on a weaker heart and so pushed at the river. He called and flipped over 66. MHING /images/graemlins/frown.gif
serves me right for limping UTG with a marginal hand preflop!
Marc H
08-24-2004, 03:42 PM
Bad Beat!
He has 66, neither is a heart. That's a bad call by him on the turn! [hmm ... 10 outs to a full house or quads, but what if you've got pocket kings or queens? maybe not really 10 outs] ... and he got rewarded for it ...
topspin
08-24-2004, 05:29 PM
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Bad Beat!
He has 66, neither is a heart. That's a bad call by him on the turn! [hmm ... 10 outs to a full house or quads, but what if you've got pocket kings or queens? maybe not really 10 outs] ... and he got rewarded for it ...
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How is this a bad call? Villain's calling $15 into a $52 pot to close the turn if I added up right, getting pot odds of about 1:3.5. Giving him 10 outs to improve to quads or a full house, he's getting odds of 1:3.6. With even marginally improved implied odds, that's an easy call.
Hero needed to bet bigger if he thought the other guy was on a draw. I agree the passive play on the flop and the bet out on the turn makes it hard to put him on 66 though.
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