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parappa

08-22-2004, 01:40 PM

Since reviewing my game last week, I've been trying to get/stay more aggressive on the bubble and shorthanded. I pushed all of these hands, and I have doubts about the play in each instance. I'd appreciate some comments about whether these are easy pushes or if I'm getting carried away. I've put in comments, and when I went to edit them to make them consistent, I decided that I'd probably learn more if I left them the inconsistent mess they are. I handle what looks like the same situation in conflicting ways, and explain it to myself in different ways. It's a bit of a mess, so any help is much appreciated.

Thanks!

Hand 1:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed)

SB (t1562)
BB (t2665)
UTG (t2693)
Hero (t1080)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, Hero raises to t1080 (All-In), SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: t1380

My take on hand 1: I think this is routine.

Hand 2:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed)

Button (t612)
SB (t3165)
BB (t2963)
Hero (t1260)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero folds, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t600) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets t300, BB calls t300.

Turn: (t1200) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets t300, BB calls t300.

River: (t1800) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets t300, BB raises to t2063 (All-In), SB folds.

Final Pot: t4163

My take on Hand 2: I think my position makes this a fold.

Hand 3:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed)

Button (t936)
SB (t1065)
BB (t5189)
Hero (t810)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero folds, Button folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: t450

My take on hand 3: I don't know.

Hand 4:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (3 handed)

SB (t4510)
BB (t2175)
Hero (t1315)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: t300

My take on Hand 4: K7 is junk. Heads up I'd push it, but not 3-handed.

Hand 5:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (3 handed)

BB (t4710)
Button (t2175)
Hero (t1115)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Button folds, Hero raises to t1115 (All-In), BB calls t915.

Flop: (t2230) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2230) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2230) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2230

My take on hand 5: This is routine.

Hand 6:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed)

UTG (t3510)
Button (t1790)
SB (t1690)
Hero (t1010)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, Button raises to t1000, SB folds, Hero raises to t1710 (All-In), Button calls t10.

Flop: (t450) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t450) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t450) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t450

My take on hand 6: I dunno. I know that AK is a good hand to raise all-in with but not to call with. Even though button is showing major strength here, I think this is a reasonable push.

Hand 7:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (3 handed)

BB (t4562)
Button (t1893)
Hero (t1545)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Button raises to t400, Hero raises to t1845 (All-In), BB folds, Button calls t1145.

Flop: (t300) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t300) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t300) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t300

My take on hand 7: I think this is bad. Button is likely to have an ace. Perhaps I should've just called and seen a flop.

Hand 8:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed)

Button (t3140)
SB (t1210)
BB (t810)
UTG (t520)
MP (t1660)
Hero (t660)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, MP folds, Hero raises to t660 (All-In), Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: t960

My take on hand 8: I'm embarrassed to post this. I think this was horrible.

Hand 9:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (5 handed)

MP (t2540)
Button (t960)
SB (t1270)
BB (t1980)
Hero (t1250)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero raises to t1250 (All-In), MP calls t1250, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (t450) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t450) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t450) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t450

My take on hand 9: I dunno. I probably would've folded this with a clear conscience before I started playing more aggressively, and I'm not happy with the push based on my position.

Hand 10:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed)

SB (t2290)
BB (t1110)
UTG (t590)
MP (t2165)
CO (t585)
Hero (t1260)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, MP folds, CO raises to t585 (All-In), Hero folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: t300

My take on hand 10: CO's raise, even though he's desparate, makes this a clear fold. Big stack in the SB can play the sheriff if he wants.

Hand 11:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed)

SB (t2580)
BB (t810)
UTG (t3650)
Hero (t960)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, Hero raises to t960 (All-In), SB folds, BB calls t610 (All-In).

Flop: (t300) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t300) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t300) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t300

My take on hand 11: I think this is a routine push.

Hand 11:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed)

UTG (t1540)
Button (t2045)
SB (t3885)
Hero (t530)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, Button folds, SB calls t50, Hero raises to t480 (All-In), SB calls t430.

Flop: (t1060) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1060) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1060) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1060

My take on hand 11: There's no need to believe the limper in the SB has any sort of hand, so a push here is fine. The other stacks are all comparatively enormous, so I can't wait.

Hand 12:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

MP2 (t1930)
CO (t1205)
Button (t1290)
SB (t690)
BB (t745)
UTG (t1345)
Hero (t795)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, Hero raises to t795 (All-In), MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: t150

My take on hand 12: I think this is tilt. I've got 8 bb's and I'm in middle position.

Hand 13:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

Button (t1830)
SB (t2005)
BB (t1290)
UTG (t640)
MP1 (t245)
MP2 (t1195)
Hero (t795)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero raises to t795 (All-In), Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: t150

My take on hand 13: This is a situation where I'd be happy to steal-raise it up to 300 had I a bigger stack. Since that's such a big portion, the stealing logic makes this a reasonable push, but I really think this hand is in-between and don't know if it's a good play or not. I think it's probably bad.

adanthar

08-22-2004, 01:50 PM

The only ones I do differently are 9, 12, and 13, and I raise all of them 3xBB or so.

UncleRemus

08-22-2004, 02:55 PM

I'd actually push every one of those hands but 7 and 10. My style is to extremely aggressively pursue first, yet I bubble quite a bit because of it. There are, however, some very difficult situations that could go either way. (A read on button in hand 7 would help GREATLY, especially on when he minraises. This is one of the few things I actively take notes on.) Overall, though, I don't see any real problems in this set. Keep making the moves and don't let up on the aggression, it will pay off.

Remus

parappa

08-23-2004, 06:00 AM

@adanthar: I've seen you mention this move before (steal-raising with 3xbb when you have around 10xbb or less). Could you explain a bit why you don't feel that the added fold equity from the push is worth the extra risk? Thanks

@uncle remus: I've been trying to get more aggressive. The odd thing is that I seem to be taking 3rd an awful lot less. Either I'm taking first or second or I'm bubbling out in 4th or 5th. Has that been your experience as well?

adanthar

08-23-2004, 02:53 PM

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@adanthar: I've seen you mention this move before (steal-raising with 3xbb when you have around 10xbb or less). Could you explain a bit why you don't feel that the added fold equity from the push is worth the extra risk?

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I don't always do that move, but basically, I like it when:

-I'm short stacked in relation to the other stacks (a blind won't help me, but doubling up will) and I *want* someone to come over the top with something like AJ or even 88;

-I'm UTG and can still dump the hand to an all in/call in front;

-(related to #2) I'm forced by the tournament conditions to raise more hands than normal [weak tightie in the blinds, etc] but I don't want to play for all my chips with a marginal hand and may dump to a TAG's reraise.

Now that I've looked at it again, I didn't realize the blinds were that high on 9 so I'd push that, too. 12 is a good example of #2, though (blinds still low, you're UTG and don't really want to be called, etc.) and #13 is a good example of #3 (you have to raise this hand, but you really don't want to be playing it for your stack).