Winning Online

[G Baade]

Please someone help me! I would just like to know how you go about winning online with all the maniacs out there. For instance. Today I had pocket AA on the button! I raised and got called by 3 people. Flop comes 10 /images/graemlins/club.gif 7 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif. First to act bets next person calls and I reraise. Turn card is a 2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. No flush draw no straight draw no full house. They bet and call and I raise again. They all call and the river is 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif. I am totally lost now. One person folds to the bet and I raise again. They call. I turn up AA and they turn up a 2 3 o/s. I was so mad I almost broke my keyboard. Thing is is that this happens on a regular basis. I play at Paradise and just have become so disheartened with this type of nonsense. Please dont think I am just being a whiner because this has happened so many times I am sick. I can accept getting beat by a player who played well and had the hand but this is crazy. I guess my question is, what kind of strategy do you use to actually win online. In the brick and mortar 10/20 game I play in I do very well. It just seems that online I cannot win. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


This is my first post also so take it easy on me. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Love the site too! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Webster]

You know - there is nothing you can do but except the fact that you had the best hand was beat.

After 30,000 hands online you will come realization that this happens ALL THE TIME but you never know it because you win the hand and don't see them fold.

You only see the dumb ass hands when they win.

[Evan]

Play solid poker. Solid poker wins money.

[JAque]

If you use any type of tracker tool for your hands, you will realize that AA,KK, QQ are still probably the top 3 hands after 1000s of hands with variations on the other top hands like AKs, AK , JJ vs 10 10.. etc.


If there were no bad beats, there wouldn't be beatable games.

JAque

[G Baade]

I hear ya guys. Just seems like it happens an awful lot. Thanks for the advice! I guess I should just stick to the real card rooms!

[MarkL444]

Dont worry about the outcomes of hands (whether you win or lose). All that matters is how you play your hands. As long as you continue to play as well as you possibly can you will see a profit.

You played this hand perfect.

[Kevin J]

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I can accept getting beat by a player who played well...

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There's something inherently wrong with this statement. I can't stand it when someone plays a hand well against me.

[daryn]

this kind of post is so sad, not because the original poster has no idea what he's talking about. he probably never will.

the sad part is how people try to actually explain things to him. in his mind, online poker will never be the same as live poker. next time when he or anyone else asks for strategies because his AA keeps losing to online players, just tell him/her to start playing the hand he got beat by.

in other words, tell this guy to start playing 23o. either AA is a favorite, or it isn't. if these wackos claim the site is rigged so AA loses, just start folding it preflop, and raising up the 94o, and the 37o.

[kevin1125]

maybe you should try some no limit hold'em because you'll have better chance to protect your hand.

[handhistoriesdotcom]

I just got back from a BM casion and had the exact same type of play you discribed happen all night...infact I play BM quite a lot and find on line play more tight aggressive overall and I play at Party 2/4....Most BM casino tables are loose passive with 6+ seeing most flops with few people raising...Just my 2¢ worth

[UncleDuke]

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I hear ya guys. Just seems like it happens an awful lot. Thanks for the advice! I guess I should just stick to the real card rooms!

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It does happen a lot, but it almost certainly doesn't happen more often as a fraction of hands played than it does in live games. The reason you see it so much more online is because you can play so many more hands in the same period of time. The usual advice applies: play your good game, and in the long run, the people playing the garbage will be paying you off.

[mmcd]

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I hear ya guys. Just seems like it happens an awful lot. Thanks for the advice! I guess I should just stick to the real card rooms!

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It does happen a lot, but it almost certainly doesn't happen more often as a fraction of hands played than it does in live games. The reason you see it so much more online is because you can play so many more hands in the same period of time. The usual advice applies: play your good game, and in the long run, the people playing the garbage will be paying you off.

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I think it happens relatively more often online because your opponents will chase you more online. This certainly doesn't mean the game isn't beatable, it just serves to increase your variance (but also your win rate) Online when a hand like AA or KK holds up, you will generally win bigger pots than you would in a live game, but unfortunately you will get sucked out on more.

[Drunk Bob]

Just save the bet on the river by only calling.Aces are the best hand preflop but they lose value the farther you go into a multi-way pot.

[Drunk Bob]

dont think so.He raised the river.

[Drunk Bob]

Think about it. Isn't he screaming "I can beat AA"on the river.

[Drunk Bob]

Boo I have learned things from this site and will try to pass the information on.

Stuff your face MOFO!

[Rudbaeck]

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I think it happens relatively more often online because your opponents will chase you more online. This certainly doesn't mean the game isn't beatable, it just serves to increase your variance (but also your win rate) Online when a hand like AA or KK holds up, you will generally win bigger pots than you would in a live game, but unfortunately you will get sucked out on more.

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I have wet dreams about online games being as soft as B&M low limit games.

I'd rake in money if we were ALWAYS 7-8 to the flop and 3-4 to the river at Party's 2/4 tables.

From my limited B&M experience it seems that alot more players see the flop, and there is alot more chasing. Probably due to getting dealt 30-35 hands an hour instead of 200. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Drunk Bob]

Ok I will give my thoughts on this hand.

Preflop. 3 4 5 Limpers? AA on button.Raise.2 callers.

Flop 10 7 3 rainbow.

Bet, call.

At this point you should assume they have something.

A pair? 2 pair? a set? overpair? Overcards?

2 pair doesn't seem likely with this flop and you destroy
overcards and an overpair. Raise.

Turn 2. They bet .you raise they call. This should raise a red flag.

There is no straight or flush draw so if they are not complete callin stations(Which they do not appear to be) you may be in trouble on this hannd.


river.Villian bets into you.


I wish I had the guts to lay the bad boys down!

[nomad]

I agree with Drunk Bob. I'm new to this site also and relatively new to playing online. Since a lot of players tend to see the flop with almost any two cards, you have to respect the fact that the flop my have hit one of them even if just barely. A lot of them will call to the river just to gamble, and sometimes they do they catch. You just have to respect this aspect of the game and adjust your play accordingly. In the long run you'll come out ahead.

[CORed]

Let me get this straight. Some idiot chases your AA with 32 offsuit and you're complaining? Yes, he got lucky that time and rivered a two pair to beat you, but if you play that scenario 1000 times, you will make lots of money. The good thing about it is that the fool with the 32 will forget the many times he lost and remember the thrill he got from cracking your aces and keep playing stupid. Would you rather raise your AA preflop, and have everybody fold, so all you get is the blinds? People chasing without the proper odds are your primary source of profit in poker. Sometimes they catch. Get over it.

[CORed]

I don't know where you guys play live, but where I play live (Blackhawk, Colorado), the players are just as clueless, if not more so, than the players online. The 2-5 spread limit games there play about like the 2/4 or .50/1.00 games on Party.

[Sundevils21]

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Thing is is that this happens on a regular basis.

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You're right if by that you mean...
He will win 12% of the time preflop
He will win 18% of the time with that flop
He will win 81% of the time with that turn.
If you can't accept this part of the game then refer to daryn's post. Start playing the 23offsuit and see how often you can crack those aces.

[47outs]

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I guess my question is, what kind of strategy do you use to actually win online. In the brick and mortar 10/20 game I play in I do very well. It just seems that online I cannot win. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.




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Advice: Play the local 10/20 game.

Your welcome.

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[SinCityGuy]

I suggest that you scout out the tables in advance. Look for tables with good players, who make solid bets, raises and folds. You won't get so many bad beats that way.

[dogmeat]

Yes, the games online are strange - but maybe you are not quite as strong as you think. There is a straight draw on the flop with T7 and when the deuce hits there are two straight draws with the 23, and a lot of times you will see somebody with A5, or A4 in this spot, both suited and unsuited! On the river, the 6 could make both straights! Look, learn.

Dogmeat /images/graemlins/spade.gif

[lefty rosen]

I have a buddy who raises that crap and wins at Party .5/1(granted he does it for advertising).......

[G Baade]

I was just using the AA hand as an example. I obviously know that you win in the long run with them! Also, I am fairly new to the game and trying to improve myself! I came for advice to improve not comments like "play the 2 3 o/s!

I guess the reason I wasnt thinking straight draw with A5 was that I couldnt see someone staying in after a raise to chase the inside straight! The thought did cross my mind a little though!

The looking for tables with better players is a good idea too!

Like I said though. This is just one example. There are many others at the lower limits and I guess the only way to win is to either move up limit wise or roll with the punches!


Thanks for all the true advice!

[pudley4]

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The looking for tables with better players is a good idea too!

I guess the only way to win is to either move up limit wise or roll with the punches

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Well, you got one out of three right...

[Sundevils21]

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the only way to win is to either move up limit wise or roll with the punches!

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don't move up in limits(i assume ure talking about .50-1 or 1-2 limits with the crazy online play?) These are the easiest games to beat. Gotta be patient. If you cant beat the .50-1 at party, then you're either not patient enough, or you need to learn some fundamentals of poker.

[MicroBob]

fwiw - it's generally common knowledge that online games play tougher and tighter than B&M (for the most part).


if i had been in your position on that hand i would have laughed. i was continually getting the best of it but i lost...big deal...get 'em next time.

i'm more than thrilled to have found a new fish who i can take a note on. yes, i would have rather won the hand....but if i keep playing correctly AND keep playing with that fish then i will show a profit by the end of the day more often than not.
if it's one of those days where i get beat more than a few times like this then i call it one of those losing days and go get 'em tomorrow.


honestly, i just can't understand why people get so riled up over beats like this. it's only a few BB's after all on just one hand.

imagine this scenario: a star basketball player (Jordan, O'Neal, Bryant, Larry Bird, Lebron James, i don't care) takes his first shot of the new NBA season...it's a near-perfect shot but it somehow rims-out. 80% of the time, when he releases a shot like that and it hits the inside of the rim like that it will careen in....this time it didn't.

so he gets so upset about it that he whines on and on 'that shot was perfect..it should have gone in....i can't catch a break in a place like this' and decides to walk off the court after that first shot doesn't go in.

most normal players know they will be taking a few hundred shots for the duration of the season and that the results of the first shot are completely inconsequential.
if they are a good shooter than they will start hitting their shots, period.

same for poker....if you are a good player then you will start winning eventually, period. if you aren't a good player than you will lose.


you can point to some really lousy individual bad-beats in there and use those as excuses all you like....but if you have played a significant amount of hands and still aren't winning then you are probably doing some things wrong somewhere in there (on the non-badbeat hands AND badbeat hands alike).

[Prime Time]

What limits are you playing?
I find the games at paradise to be rather solid at the 5-10 and up levels. I have not seen what you just descibed in the higher games but would welcome it.

[Willy]

Before retiring at night get on your knees and thank the Good Lord above for these players and ask that they have enough money to keep coming back