Supersystem II: Bobby Baldwin? David Sklansky?

[Al Mirpuri]

Is Bobby Baldwin qualified to write the Limit Hold'em chapter in Supersystem II? I thought he had spent the last 20 years as a casino executive?

Why was David Sklansky not given a chance to write a chapter?

Will Supersystem II even live up to the hype?

[James Boston]

I would guess, but don't know for sure, that David couldn't contribute unless the book was published by 2+2.

[benfranklin]

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Will Supersystem II even live up to the hype?

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And will it have a gun on the cover /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[DPCondit]

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And will it have a gun on the cover

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I'm sure this has been asked before, but why do 2 + 2 books have guns on the cover? I always wondered.

Don

[Moyer]

Isn't Jennifer Harman writing the limit hold'em section?

I think it will be very good, but we'll have to wait and see.

[JTG51]

Why was David Sklansky not given a chance to write a chapter?

I'm pretty sure that Sklanksy works for some other publishing company these days.

[mikimaus]

The original came from Sklansky's holdem poker where there is also that 38 that's some beautiful woman, while they used to have guns in the old times when playing especially high limit. It can also be a symbol of emotions of the situation, and even an IT symbol. At Advanced book there is instead 83 that's some Sven or something, and it's Mason's book; does that indicate to some reversed likings, or is it the hand on the table that's actually 38 when it's put right?

[Eclypse]

In an RGP post from a couple of months ago, Daniel Negreanu gave the following list of authors and their sections:

Hold'em: Jennifer Harman
Stud: Chip Reese
Omaha Hi-Lo: Bobby Baldwin
Stud Hi-Lo: Todd Brunson
Triple Draw: Daniel Negreanu
No Limit Hold'em: Doyle Brunson
Chinese Poker: Johnny Chan
Prop Bets: Lyle Berman
History of Poker: Crandall Addington
Unknown Topic: Mike Caro

I don't know if anything has changed or has been added since then.

[Al Mirpuri]

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In an RGP post from a couple of months ago, Daniel Negreanu gave the following list of authors and their sections:

Hold'em: Jennifer Harman
Stud: Chip Reese
Omaha Hi-Lo: Bobby Baldwin
Stud Hi-Lo: Todd Brunson
Triple Draw: Daniel Negreanu
No Limit Hold'em: Doyle Brunson
Chinese Poker: Johnny Chan
Prop Bets: Lyle Berman
History of Poker: Crandall Addington
Unknown Topic: Mike Caro

I don't know if anything has changed or has been added since then.

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Bobby Baldwin is doing Omaha8! However, the same question applies. I thought he did not play much these days because he was an executive at one of the casinos.

[scalf]

/images/graemlins/cool.gif bobby baldwin still knows poker...better than most; and he is old school buddies with doiylleee..

bobby really should write the book on applying poker concepts to the business world...he makes over 15 mill a year...why should he play public poker games??

i bet he still plays some el-primo private cash games at atronomical limits...

clearly, in his prime, bb was one of the top 5 nl he players of all-time..

gl..jmho

gl

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[David Sklansky]

I was given the chance.

[david050173]

I want to say this in the most repective way possible, but wouldn't you rather read someone elses thoughts on limit hold em? I figure after reading a half dozen books by David S., I have a lot of his thoughts on how to play limit poker. I want to hear some different voices. I am just hoping the typesetting is a bit better than the first version
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[Eclypse]

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...after reading a half dozen books by David S., I have a lot of his thoughts on how to play limit poker. I want to hear some different voices.

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Jennifer Harman is doing the limit hold'em section.

[maurile]

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I want to say this in the most repective way possible, but wouldn't you rather read someone elses thoughts on limit hold em?

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Yes. Good point. Sklansky's writing about poker is always top-notch, but we've already got most of his best stuff in TOP, HPFAP, SOP, GTBOI, and a number of other books.

Who's the person you'd most have most liked to have written the chapter on fixed-limit hold 'em in Super/SystemII? Jennifer Harman is in my top five, along with Barry Greenstein, Howard Lederer, David Chiu, and Barry Tannenbaum. None of them have published anything yet about poker so it's nice that Jennifer, at least, is about to.

[Rudbaeck]

From his limit play I'd say Howard Lederer. But being a great player doesn't necessarily mean that you will be a great instructor. Ghost writers and editors can only take you so far.

Coming from an academic background I much appreciate the dry, factual and demonstrably correct plays of 2+2 authors over the ESP-crowd.

[Moyer]

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Jennifer Harman is in my top five, along with Barry Greenstein, Howard Lederer, David Chiu, and Barry Tannenbaum. None of them have published anything yet

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Lederer does have 2 no limit DVDs out. The 2nd one is supposed to be pretty good, but I haven't heard of any "cutting edge" info in it.

[Al Mirpuri]

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Coming from an academic background I much appreciate the dry, factual and demonstrably correct plays of 2+2 authors over the ESP-crowd.

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Coming from an academic backgroud, you must just as readily deplore the poor diction and syntax of the Two Plus Two material even if the content is correct.

[David Sklansky]

Poster: Al Mirpuri
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Coming from an academic background I much appreciate the dry, factual and demonstrably correct plays of 2+2 authors over the ESP-crowd.


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Coming from an academic backgroud, you must just as readily deplore the poor diction and syntax of the Two Plus Two material even if the content is correct.


Don't tell me that you rate the two types of flaws at anywhere near equivalent levels of importance.

[Al Mirpuri]

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Poster: Al Mirpuri
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Coming from an academic background I much appreciate the dry, factual and demonstrably correct plays of 2+2 authors over the ESP-crowd.


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Coming from an academic backgroud, you must just as readily deplore the poor diction and syntax of the Two Plus Two material even if the content is correct.


Don't tell me that you rate the two types of flaws at anywhere near equivalent levels of importance.

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I do not equate the two flaws we are discussing. However, I do believe that Two Plus Two let themselves down with the proofreading of their texts. The casual acceptance of this poor proofreading is somewhat unsettling.

[Rudbaeck]

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Coming from an academic backgroud, you must just as readily deplore the poor diction and syntax of the Two Plus Two material even if the content is correct.

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Neither computer science (where I started) or clinical psychology (where I ended up) is filled with authors with great language skills. Introductory texts tend to be well written, but once you get to more advanced texts... Well, let's just say that 2+2 is way ahead.

If you read research journals in either field, then 2+2 texts are going to read like poetry in comparison.


And for that matter we don't need to switch fields, all 2+2 books I've read beat the snot out of S/S if it's a litterature competition.

[Zele]

Methinks you are too acquainted with the Foucault of postmodern S/M and too little acquainted with the Foucault of the pendulum.

[FeliciaLee]

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Who's the person you'd most have most liked to have written the chapter on fixed-limit hold 'em in Super/SystemII? Jennifer Harman is in my top five, along with Barry Greenstein, Howard Lederer, David Chiu, and Barry Tannenbaum. None of them have published anything yet about poker so it's nice that Jennifer, at least, is about to.

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Unless something has radically changed and I haven't heard about it, Greenstein is a contributor, as well. So another of your wishes is granted.

Felicia /images/graemlins/smile.gif
www.felicialee.net (http://www.felicialee.net)

[Al Mirpuri]

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Methinks you are too acquainted with the Foucault of postmodern S/M and too little acquainted with the Foucault of the pendulum.

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This remark needs "unpacking" for me. I do not really understand it.

[Matt Ruff]

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Bobby Baldwin is doing Omaha8!

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For a moment there I thought this said *Daniel* Baldwin...

-- M. Ruff

[George Rice]

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Stud Hi-Lo: Todd Brunson

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Not knowing anything about Todd Brunson other than he plays poker well and is the son of Doyle, is he in the same league with these other authors? He might be better for all I know. But in as much as David was the collaborator for High/Low in SS, I suspect that SSII might be a notch lower than it could have been. Does anyone know Todd's credentials for Stud8?

[bygmesterf]

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Methinks you are too acquainted with the Foucault of postmodern S/M and too little acquainted with the Foucault of the pendulum.

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This remark needs "unpacking" for me. I do not really understand it.

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Michel Foucault post modern french philosopher ( http://foucault.info/, vs

French physicist Jean Foucault
http://www.si.edu/resource/faq/nmah/pendulum.htm

[BarronVangorToth]

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Poster: Al Mirpuri
Subject: Re: Supersystem II: Bobby Baldwin? David Sklansky?


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Coming from an academic background I much appreciate the dry, factual and demonstrably correct plays of 2+2 authors over the ESP-crowd.


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Coming from an academic backgroud, you must just as readily deplore the poor diction and syntax of the Two Plus Two material even if the content is correct.


Don't tell me that you rate the two types of flaws at anywhere near equivalent levels of importance.

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I've referenced in the past that the 2+2 books are not the best written (grammatically speaking) books on the market, but, in reality, MOST poker books are horrendously written PLUS they contain less sound advice than 2+2 books. In short, even with their flaws in the writing itself, they are still among the very top books on the market.

Plus, as someone who understands the publishing industry and works in it, I'll lay it out for people in terms of "EV" when it comes to what it would take to make the books better written:

The money they would spend on getting someone to rewrite the books would NOT increase sales to any degree to make said expenditure worthwhile.

In short, while it would be great for Mason and David to flip for someone to thoroughly go through all of their texts, said monies would basically be flying out the window, as X people are going to buy the book regardless, and while X would be X+Y with better writing, Y's sales don't translate into the Z dollars that the technical writer would get.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com (http://www.BarronVangorToth.com)

[Moyer]

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Does anyone know Todd's credentials for Stud8?

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All I know about Todd is that I saw a short clip on TV of him playing in a high stakes cash no-limit game at the Billagio w/ Doyle, Chip Reese, Phil Ivey, and Jennifer Harman. I think Berry & Howard were also playing but I'm not sure. I just remember thinking that Todd was the only non big name. Chip Reese had a nice stack of chips and a few bundles of $100 bills that I thought looked like bricks.

Assuming Todd could hold his own in that game, he's probably more qualified than many other poker authors. They were playing hold'em at the time though, not Stud.

[RowdyZ]

I think Todd Brunson had 5 cashes this year in the WSOP and, 2 in Omaha H/L.. I think he mainly follows the big money games around.

[cowboyzfan]

I think i have read at least 20 + questions on this site as to why 2+2 puts a gun on the cover of its books. Hmm, well certainly my answer is anything but official but i can say why I have never questioned the presence of the gun. In fact, i always thought it made sense.

The two plus two books are about a game called "poker". This game, for most people, conjures images of he Old West, the place where its popularity grew (it alsoe grew in the army, a place with a gun here or there too) a place with lots of guns. In fact, if you asked someone what they thought of when someone said "poker" (prior to "Rounders"), it would likely be a riverboat gambler, with gun and all.

Furthermore, most 2 + 2 game specific titles discuss Texas Hold'em. Texas is known for the old west and gunfighters. So when you combine Hold'em, a poker game, and poker's history of guys with guns; and Texas, and its history of guys with guns, i think the idea of a book about Texas Hold'em having a gun on the cover does not seem so strange.

But then again, maybe its just me. I guess a penguin or watermelon would be just a usefull and less controversial.

[Rudbaeck]

I think a watermelon would sell less copies.

Putting a gun on the cover is right about their only visual ploy, and it most likely sells a few extra books.