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08-19-2004, 08:53 PM
My question is actually largely irrelevant to this hand but it got me thinking.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (10 handed)
saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>
UTG (t2166)
UTG+1 (t4122)
UTG+2 (t9643)
<font color="C00000">MP1 (t14664)</font>
<font color="C00000">Hero (t1660)</font>
MP3 (t4481)
CO (t11517)
<font color="C00000">Button (t1897)</font>
SB (t5685)
BB (t12607)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 raises to t800</font>, MP1 calls t800, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t1660 (All-In)</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls t1660, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises to t2520</font>, Button calls t237 (All-In).
Flop: (t7477) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>
Turn: (t7477) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>
River: (t7477) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>
Final Pot: t7477
In this example MP1 was on a pseudo steal and pot committed given the size of the stacks, but if he was in a calling position would you ever really want to be the 3rd all in caller with the typical all in hands (mid/high pocket pair A picture) excluding AA & KK and similar stack size?
If you assume (pretty big assumption granted) that one of your opponents has a mid pocket pair and the other has aceface:
If also have a pocket pair:
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
9c 9d 245607 17.92 1121365 81.81 3782 0.28 0.180
Ts Th 622499 45.41 744473 54.31 3782 0.28 0.455
Qs Ad 498866 36.39 868106 63.33 3782 0.28 0.365
If you also have an Aceface
9c 9d 623285 45.47 743596 54.25 3873 0.28 0.456
Jc Ah 272190 19.86 1064886 77.69 33678 2.46 0.210
Qs Ad 441601 32.22 895475 65.33 33678 2.46 0.334
Which would say to me that with three fairly balanced stacks you should only be the 3rd person going all in when you have AA, KK or QQ?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (10 handed)
saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>
UTG (t2166)
UTG+1 (t4122)
UTG+2 (t9643)
<font color="C00000">MP1 (t14664)</font>
<font color="C00000">Hero (t1660)</font>
MP3 (t4481)
CO (t11517)
<font color="C00000">Button (t1897)</font>
SB (t5685)
BB (t12607)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 raises to t800</font>, MP1 calls t800, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t1660 (All-In)</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls t1660, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises to t2520</font>, Button calls t237 (All-In).
Flop: (t7477) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>
Turn: (t7477) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>
River: (t7477) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>
Final Pot: t7477
In this example MP1 was on a pseudo steal and pot committed given the size of the stacks, but if he was in a calling position would you ever really want to be the 3rd all in caller with the typical all in hands (mid/high pocket pair A picture) excluding AA & KK and similar stack size?
If you assume (pretty big assumption granted) that one of your opponents has a mid pocket pair and the other has aceface:
If also have a pocket pair:
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
9c 9d 245607 17.92 1121365 81.81 3782 0.28 0.180
Ts Th 622499 45.41 744473 54.31 3782 0.28 0.455
Qs Ad 498866 36.39 868106 63.33 3782 0.28 0.365
If you also have an Aceface
9c 9d 623285 45.47 743596 54.25 3873 0.28 0.456
Jc Ah 272190 19.86 1064886 77.69 33678 2.46 0.210
Qs Ad 441601 32.22 895475 65.33 33678 2.46 0.334
Which would say to me that with three fairly balanced stacks you should only be the 3rd person going all in when you have AA, KK or QQ?