David Sklansky's tournament experience?

[chson]

I know David Sklansky is a mid-limit specialist and can be found crushing the Las Vegas ring games for 1 BB/hour; however, what is his tournament experience? I'm asking because I'm considering the purchase of "Tournament Poker for Advanced Players" and don't want to waste my money on concepts that he cannot even apply himself.

[Tharpab]

There are rumors the he just cant play NL,
just ask doyle brunson

[moondogg]

I don't have S/S in front of me, but I think he won a WSOP bracelet for whatever game he wrote about in S/S (razz or duece-to-seven or something like that).

[andyfox]

I wouldn't waste my money; doesn't sound like you'll get anything out of the book.

[chson]

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I wouldn't waste my money; doesn't sound like you'll get anything out of the book.

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Why not?

Don't bother bringing up the popular retort, "can Mike Tyson's coach beat Mike Tyson him up?" Poker is a game like chess, not a sport like boxing. Your physical attributes and raw athleticism have nothing to do with your results in this game. A respected author in a game such as chess or poker needs to have proven success because there's simply no excuse not to.

[Dilbert's Ass]

I'm really not sure why I'm replying.

[Wake up CALL]

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I wouldn't waste my money; doesn't sound like you'll get anything out of the book.

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Why not?

Don't bother bringing up the popular retort, "can Mike Tyson's coach beat Mike Tyson him up?" Poker is a game like chess, not a sport like boxing. Your physical attributes and raw athleticism have nothing to do with your results in this game. A respected author in a game such as chess or poker needs to have proven success because there's simply no excuse not to.

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Using your logic then you should purchase the book since David has obviously performed better than you in tournaments you will certainly learn something.

Perhaps you are being too results oriented in your thinking? You think? Obviously not or you would have never made this post in the first place.

[scotnt73]

if you thought hpfap was bad then why even worry about it? your obviously just trolling. you can look at all your posts and see a theme. we have all learned alot from these books and you arent going to be able to convince winning poker players that the material they learned to play with was bad. you can also see from your posts that you have no idea what you are talking about when you actually comment on hands.

[FeliciaLee]

WSOP:

1982
1st David Sklansky Draw High
1st David Sklansky Mixed Doubles

1983
1st David Sklansky Omaha Limit

(The above does not include the times he came in 2nd-9th or "in the money," as these statistics weren't kept until recent years.)

2001
5th Limit Omaha

2002
42nd Main Event
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2003
25th WPT Borgata NLHE

I am obviously missing a lot of tournaments. They are harder to research the further you go back into the past. I don't believe David plays many tournaments anymore, but obviously his skills lie in limit events.

Felicia /images/graemlins/smile.gif
www.felicialee.net (http://www.felicialee.net)

[La Brujita]

Just out of curiousity what does mixed doubles mean in poker?

I think it is a pretty darn good resume and I think the book is solid. There is still a better tournament book out there to be written but none has been written yet imo.

I am very hopeful one or all of the upcoming twoplustwo books will fill the void.

[FeliciaLee]

A man and a woman would team up. I was just a kid then, and wasn't around, but I've heard there was a bit of controversy over this game. Who knows. I know that playing mixed doubles is what convinced Doyle that women could really play poker, and he was wrong about what he'd said about women players in the past.

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[drewjustdrew]

Either you missed the sarcasm in his response or I read some into it. I think Andy is telling you not to do anything to improve your own game, as it will make his life easier.

Buy the book. I picked up approximately 3 helpful tips from it, but I already had a lot of experience and some success before reading it. You may get a lot more out of it than me.

One problem is that an update needs to be done for the modern game of the last couple years. Playing against internet players who play more for +EV, than for fear of going broke.

[chson]

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if you thought hpfap was bad then why even worry about it? your obviously just trolling. you can look at all your posts and see a theme. we have all learned alot from these books and you arent going to be able to convince winning poker players that the material they learned to play with was bad. you can also see from your posts that you have no idea what you are talking about when you actually comment on hands.

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Just because my opinion differs from yours does not mean I'm trolling. From reading your posts, I could say that you exhibit a "sheepish" mentality but I won't.

[Gamblor]

is that David Sklansky is a theorist.

Sure he can play the game, and quite well I might add.

But there's a reason the top Political Science professors at every major university are not all President. Theoretically, they certainly know enough about politics to crush any politician in influencing public opinion. But in reality, there are many people that understand how and why things work without having the talent to do them.

David Sklansky can tell you the mathematically correct play every time - but when many of his opponents are math-able enough to reduce his edge, their ability to do things like "read people" and "have courage" and "go with gut feels" can put them over the top against him.

But for Joe Average poker player, these math concepts are absolutely necessary in the absence of the hundreds of thousands of hands pros have with which to sharpen their reads and strategies.

[chson]

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WSOP:

1982
1st David Sklansky Draw High
1st David Sklansky Mixed Doubles

1983
1st David Sklansky Omaha Limit

(The above does not include the times he came in 2nd-9th or "in the money," as these statistics weren't kept until recent years.)

2001
5th Limit Omaha

2002
42nd Main Event
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2003
25th WPT Borgata NLHE

I am obviously missing a lot of tournaments. They are harder to research the further you go back into the past. I don't believe David plays many tournaments anymore, but obviously his skills lie in limit events.

Felicia /images/graemlins/smile.gif
www.felicialee.net (http://www.felicialee.net)

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Thank you Felicia. This is the exact type of info I was looking for.

[razor]

Phil Helmuth has much better results than David... you might consider his book if you haven't read it already.

[CollegePlayer]

go away...

[Senor Choppy]

The fields were so small 20 years ago that a win doesn't mean nearly as much as it does today, just look at the 1st place prize money David won for Draw High in '82, $15k!

I'd take Scott Fischmann's (sp?) 2004 results over Sklansky's in a heartbeat.

Even if the original poster is trolling, it's a relevant question to ask. And saying DS is a theorist just doesn't cut it. If you understand these concepts, you should be able to apply them, especially in limit where people reading skills are of less value.

[andyfox]

"Why not?"

Because the sarcasm of your post indicates that you've already made up your mind. Have you ready any of David's other writings/books? DId you get anything out of them?

[hudat]

Larry Brown and Magic Johnson were both NBA point guards and coaches. The better player does not make the better coach.

[daryn]

wow, inthacup's old avatar!

[kenewbie]

For the love of god stop comparing coaching a sports team to writing a book on poker. Its not even close to the same thing.

An author cannot write a brilliant poker book without being brilliant in poker (though the opposite is ofcourse true, you can be an excellent player and yet be unable to put it down in words).

Coaching a team is not the same as playin in it, first off you have physical limitations ofcourse but apart from that the coaches job is strategy and coordination, the players are there to put that strategy into motion. A great coach can ofcourse be a horrible player and vice versa, the skills required does not overlap.

k

[chson]

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The fields were so small 20 years ago that a win doesn't mean nearly as much as it does today, just look at the 1st place prize money David won for Draw High in '82, $15k!

I'd take Scott Fischmann's (sp?) 2004 results over Sklansky's in a heartbeat.

Even if the original poster is trolling, it's a relevant question to ask. And saying DS is a theorist just doesn't cut it. If you understand these concepts, you should be able to apply them, especially in limit where people reading skills are of less value.

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I definitely agree with you. If somebody can crush the Las Vegas mid-limit games for 1 BB an hour then theoretically they could do fairly well in the "big" Limit tournaments of today.

[chson]

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For the love of god stop comparing coaching a sports team to writing a book on poker. Its not even close to the same thing.

An author cannot write a brilliant poker book without being brilliant in poker (though the opposite is ofcourse true, you can be an excellent player and yet be unable to put it down in words).

Coaching a team is not the same as playin in it, first off you have physical limitations ofcourse but apart from that the coaches job is strategy and coordination, the players are there to put that strategy into motion. A great coach can ofcourse be a horrible player and vice versa, the skills required does not overlap.

k

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You are correct. I brought this matter up earlier but obviously it fell on deaf ears.

[jimswarthow]

If you are not able to recognize Mr. Sklansky's innate talent for explaining in a mathmatically sound way all things poker and gamblin then you should not buy the book. Nor should you buy HPFAP, the theory of poker, or any other sklansky book. To even suggest that he would put out a book that was logically or fundamentally unsound speaks to your immaturity as a poker player. Grow up. No one forced him to share his views.

[jwvdcw]

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don't want to waste my money on concepts that he cannot even apply himself.

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Why on earth does this matter? If he writes about good stuff that will help someone's game, but for whatever reason he doesn't have the discipline/patience/mental capabilities to carry them out for himself, does that make his advice any worse?

[Ray Zee]

david plays in few tournaments yet does quite well. he is one of the few i would definitely take a piece of, if offered. you would have a bigger ev with david than most of those big names that win a bunch, because they enter every event.

[adios]

The book is excellent FWIW. A couple of nuggets in there have really helped me in NLH tourneys.

[Kevin]

I think that I remember reading in Doyle's intro for High Low games in S/S that David finished second to Doyle in the Stud High/Low WSOP final (circa '76/77), but I could be mistaken