SSH is not the answer for any set of serious players!

[David Steele]

SSH is not the answer for any set of serious players!

....But every serious player should buy it, it is a great book.

If you are a B&M player, you need to play middle limit stakes to make serious money, to beat the rake and make up for the slow dealing.

If you are an online player, you want to play bigger then the 50-cent games.

In the games you will play:
e.g.live 6-12, 10-20, 15-30 or online 2-4, 3-6, 5-10

The games are not always loose enough all the time
to get by with only what you learn in SSH.

You need to know everything from HEFAP as well, plus a lot of ideas that you will not find in print ( but may have learned in these forums ). Essentially, all the concepts and ideas that are for non-loose situations. e.g Blind stealing,
heads up play, balancing your turn play, semi-bluffing, playing the players and a couple hundred other things. Poker is not too easy.

On the other hand, in all those games, you will also face some very loose periods and situations. Ed's book is great and everyone should read it to fill in their gaps and clarify their own fuzzy areas. Just don't plan on buying that one book and expect to destroy every online 3-6 game you would chose to play in.


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[Beavis68]

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clarify their own fuzzy areas.

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Dont worry yourself with my fuzzy area please.

[moondogg]

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Just don't plan on buying that one book and expect to destroy every online 3-6 game you would chose to play in.

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I assume that this means that the 3/6 game would not be soft enough to qualify for SSHE.
If that's the case, why are you chosing to play in it, when there are plenty of games that you could destroy?

[Zele]

Agreed, you need much more than one book to become an expert player, even at these limits. But I believe SSH would be the best single preparation for limits up to 15/30 online. I wish it had existed when I was cutting my teeth; I'd be a richer man today. As it is, it has already earned me more than the price I paid.

[David Steele]

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I assume that this means that the 3/6 game would not be soft enough to qualify for SSHE. If that's the case, why are you chosing to play in it,

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Even if a game is very soft and loose, hands come up that require ideas from non-loose games, however here are a few reasons why you could be in a different kind of game.

1. There are just not that many super loose 3-6 games online.

2. You may be playing a bonus off at a site that has tighter play.

3. You may want to play in a game with some known terrible players but the rest may be fairly tight ( though perhaps not good ).

4. You may want to multitable a lot of games and not want to switch games constantly.

5. You may wish to take advantage of 6-max tables.

6. You may want to keep playing with a super live one, even if
nearly everyone else at the table leaves.


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[Daithi]

I wanted to agree as well. The advice in SSH is great at 2-4 and 4-8 in a B&M, and is great in the online micro limits. Once you start getting higher than that (even many 2-4 games online) the tables in general will start playing better. Don't get me wrong, there may still be plenty of times that you will use concepts from SSH at these levels, but you will need knowledge of strategies found in other books as well if you expect to win long term.

[Clarkmeister]

"The advice in SSH is great at 2-4 and 4-8 in a B&M"

The advice in SSH is essentially taylor made for most worthwhile Commerce 40-80 tables.

[Victor]

In all the mid limit games 10-20 to 15-30 that I have played this book has applied. That includes brief playing and vegas and AC and many hours in Cleveland.

[BeerMoney]

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"The advice in SSH is great at 2-4 and 4-8 in a B&M"

The advice in SSH is essentially taylor made for most worthwhile Commerce 40-80 tables.

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RU serious? Where do these people come from?

[CollegePlayer]

would anyone be a B&M player when they could play online? Sorry, but B&M should be for entertainment purposes first, than for making money. There are too many advantages to online play.

[Zele]

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1. There are just not that many super loose 3-6 games online.

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/images/graemlins/confused.gif This has not been my experience at all. Unless by "super loose" you mean every player sees every flop, you're way off base.

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5. You may wish to take advantage of 6-max tables

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SSH is directly applicable to 6-max tables. I would recommend it over HPFAP.

[CollegePlayer]

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6. You may want to keep playing with a super live one, even if
nearly everyone else at the table leaves.


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Yes, only an idiot would play a maniac heads-up...

Die, will ya?

[Nottom]

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This has not been my experience at all. Unless by "super loose" you mean every player sees every flop, you're way off base.

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In my experience, most online 3/6 games quaily as one of Miller's "tight" loose games.

[David Steele]

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Unless by "super loose" you mean every player sees every flop

[/ QUOTE ] No I don't mean that. The 3-6 at party is just not that loose all the time. If you can't handle an old-style vegas 10-20, you are giving up some winnings in these games.


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SSH is directly applicable to 6-max tables. I would recommend it over HPFAP.

[/ QUOTE ] I would suggest knowing both books and also some other material not in print.

[razor]

uh... LA...

[David Steele]

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Yes, only an idiot would play a maniac heads-up...

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I am not sure what you are saying. The live ones are not always maniacs. What is wrong with playing heads-up?


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Die, will ya?

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You talkin to me?

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[benfranklin]

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Yes, only an idiot would play a maniac heads-up...

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I am not sure what you are saying. The live ones are not always maniacs. What is wrong with playing heads-up?


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Die, will ya?

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You talkin to me?

D.

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Youth has spoken. Time for us old farts to head out on the ice floe and get out of the way of the new and improved generation.

[OrangeHeat]

I agree. I just read my copy for the first time and there are many concepts that apply mid-highish games.

This is a must read for any poker player.

Orange

[Victor]

B&M games are far easier than online games of the same limit. I can beat my local B&M game for 1-2 BB hour at limits of 10-20 or 15-30. I would probably get crushed at Party 15-30.

It is also very easy to read a player at BM. The table stays the same for an extended period and you can gain much more information about how a player plays by being in their presence.

[CollegePlayer]

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Yes, only an idiot would play a maniac heads-up...

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I am not sure what you are saying. The live ones are not always maniacs. What is wrong with playing heads-up?


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Die, will ya?

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You talkin to me?

D.

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oops, i misread your post, thus the confusion...

[turnipmonster]

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There are too many advantages to online play.

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I agree that there are many advantages to online play, but especially for big bet there are absolutely huge advantages to playing live. I am of the opinion you can make much better reads live based on a number of factors that aren't available online. in a way, online big bet is much more difficult because of that.

--turnipmonster

[daveymck]

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This has not been my experience at all. Unless by "super loose" you mean every player sees every flop, you're way off base.

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In my experience, most online 3/6 games quaily as one of Miller's "tight" loose games.

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I agree espicially during the UK late hours (Us afternoon and early evening) as yet I have not had to tuen the starting hand page to the loose games.

What is interesting is that my vpip has stayed more or less what it was (within a percentage) but my pfr is up a bit more. Only 1,500 hands so far though.

[ComedyLimp]

"I agree espicially during the UK late hours (Us afternoon and early evening) as yet I have not had to tuen the starting hand page to the loose games"

I've also noticed that during UK peak time Party/Empire is a lot tighter (or at least less loose) than most people seem to imply and it's one of the reasons for me preferring the European Intercasino skins. Getting up early on Saturday and Sunday is my most profitable time for playing PP but getting up early is obviously sick and wrong.

"What is interesting is that my vpip has stayed more or less what it was (within a percentage) but my pfr is up a bit more"

Same here, over my first 1000 hands. My PokerTracker "Aggression Factor" is also up a lot as well. Although I've also gone from around +2BB/100 to -7BB/100 so I think overall I prefer being a weak-tight weeny boy.