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blubster
08-14-2004, 05:12 PM
Anyone here playing QJo UTG and if so would you be so kind enough to post your stats from that position?

whether your positive or negative with it.

thanks
blubster

fyodor
08-14-2004, 05:24 PM
My examples are so few they are meaningless but perhaps with some others they will add up to something for you:

6 Handed UTG 35 examples VP$IP 88.57% -.08 bb/100
5 Handed UTG 16 examples VP$IP 93.75% -.28 bb/100

Schneids
08-14-2004, 05:52 PM
QJo UTG 6-handed: 84 times, VPIP 16.67, +.19BB/hand
QJo UTG 5-handed: 85 times, VPIP 22.35, +.24BB/hand

sweetjazz
08-14-2004, 07:40 PM
Interesting numbers. What are the primary factors for whether you play the hand in the first place? Do you always/almost always come in with a raise?

Schneids
08-14-2004, 08:09 PM
If I'm in it is now almost always in for a raise. I have about 1/3 of them as limps and the other 2/3 as raises but I think a lot of those limps came in my early days. I would consider limping if the table is very loose passive. I'll raise if I've been folding forever and if the table isn't LAG. I would also guess most of my raises came around February or March when I was a PF LAG /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

Basically, now my default play with it is fold.

fyodor
08-14-2004, 08:27 PM
of course mine should say bb/hand as well not /100

and it looks like I should be folding it

gonores
08-14-2004, 08:28 PM
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Basically, now my default play with it is fold.

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This makes me sad.

Schneids
08-14-2004, 08:51 PM
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and it looks like I should be folding it

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Nah don't make that judgment based on my stats. I play tight in 10/20 especially EP due to fear of 3-bets. If you're still mainly playing 5/10 I think I'd be more inclined to raise it, and likewise I'd be even more inclined to raise QJo in 1/2. Basically, as the table gets more passive the more I like playing it in one form or another.

Schneids
08-14-2004, 09:54 PM
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Interesting numbers. What are the primary factors for whether you play the hand in the first place? Do you always/almost always come in with a raise?

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I changed my preferences and looked at only the last 50,000 hands:

6-handed: 29 times, 6.90vpip (6.90pfr), +.18BB/hand
5-handed: 30 times, 13.33vpip (13.33pfr), +.31BB/hand

So yeah, to answer you a little better, I basically fold it and occasionally raise it.

Nemesis
08-14-2004, 10:24 PM
i limp with it from most posistions in 1/2 and play carefully if raised behind me.

Nate tha' Great
08-14-2004, 11:38 PM
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Interesting numbers. What are the primary factors for whether you play the hand in the first place? Do you always/almost always come in with a raise?

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I changed my preferences and looked at only the last 50,000 hands:

6-handed: 29 times, 6.90vpip (6.90pfr), +.18BB/hand
5-handed: 30 times, 13.33vpip (13.33pfr), +.31BB/hand

So yeah, to answer you a little better, I basically fold it and occasionally raise it.

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If your true win rate is anything like +.18 BB when you do raise this UTG in a 6-handed game, then you're picking your spots too carefully.