Potowatami 20/40...laying down an overpair on the turn.

[Bob S.]

Made it to the casino last night to play some 20/40...Jim McManus was at the casino to play in the game as well. Apparently being a writer gets some nice perks...he got to skip the waitlist of about 18 people to get into the game since he will writing something about the cardroom (if he's not it's a good way to get ahead anyways). Anyways...it's a decent game but by no means up to the usual standards for our 20/40 (the fish are figuring out they were better off at blackjack I guess). I have pocket tens in MP and 3 bet an EP opener (Loose/passive) who is just playing over a person at dinner. Player two to my left in the CO coldcalls 3 (this is a decent player and his coldcall almost knocked me out of my chair). The rest fold, EP calls and we see a flop of 952 rainbow. EP checks, I bet, and both call. Turn comes 3 completing the rainbow, EP checks, I bet, CO calls, now the EP player checkraises both of us...I folded after some debating with myself. What does everyone think??? Results to follow.

Bob S.

[MrGo]

Usually, this is a terrible fold, but since you're playing at Potawatomi, chances are he has you beat.

Since EP is passive, and checkraises two players on the turn, he definately has a hand. To raise from EP, assuming he's a decent player, I put him on over pair or 9's full. No way I could put him on a 3.

I would three-bet and see where you stand. If it's capped, you can safely fold.

[ChicagoTroy]

Weird.

EP raised preflop? I think you ran into a set of nines, since A4s doesn't make a lot of sense for a PFR. It's possible he got cute with a bigger overpair, but that seems less likely. I'd have called and seen what the river brought.

This would be a 3-bet or fold usually, but this is a strange enough scenario that calling twice gets you to the end for the same price as a 3-bet (assuming he wouldn't 4-bet, which you can't assume), and lets you see what the guy had. I would want that information. CO coming along for the ride could make it profitable if you hit your ten, which is unlikely but would factor into my wanting to see the river-- you probably aren't dead.

[mmcd]

Good fold here, you were beat.

[BWebb]

How does everyone feel about preflop? Loose-passive usually means a big hand when they raise preflop.

[Kevin J]

He might be beat, but he might not. He could also out-flop the guy. TT is too much hand to lay down against a weak opponent who you have position against. IMO-

TT doesn't look too good on the turn, though.

[Kevin J]

As to the McManus thing, I suppose if he's writing an article about the room, then fine. I could see them making it priority to get him into a game.

But if he's just there to play, he should go to the bottom of the list like anyone else. McManus-McShmanus. Who gives a sh**?

[elindauer]

Tough situation. I can't fold this hand here, so I think reraising is the best You'll probably knock the good player behind you off his AK / JJ type hand as well, improving your chances of winning when you are ahead.

my 2 cents.
Eric

[Bob S.]

After I folded the player behind me called...on the river UTG checked and I almost started kicking myself when it got checked through and then UTG turned over AA which was good. I guess he decided to get a little fancy with this one which was something I didn't expect which is also why I 3-bet preflop to see if he would cap. On the turn I decided he had to either have a set of 9's or posibly JJ/QQ that he didn't want to cap with preflop but now decided his hand was good on the turn.

Bob S.

[BarronVangorToth]

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How does everyone feel about preflop? Loose-passive usually means a big hand when they raise preflop.

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I could also mean any variety of holdings between AK, AQ, maybe KQ suited -- all of those various combinations are more likely than the five pairs (9, J, Q, K, A) that beat you in this situation. Plus, coming around for a three-bet, if it's that type of guy, he will invariably four-bet away with K's or A's.

That's pre-flop, so the line isn't bad.

However, on the turn, you're probably beat so the fold is invariably the move ... but with the money out there (and an overpair) it's tempting, I realize, to call another BB and see the river.


Barron Vangor Toth
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