Another record for Bonds

[Clarkmeister]

13 consecutive seasons with 30+HR's. He's absurd.

[1111]

He is indeed absurd. What is even more absurd is sports writers around the country trying to rationalize NOT giving him the MVP. Unreal...

[Sooga]

I was thinking the other day, even if Bonds does start showing his age, how is anyone ever going to know, given the frequency of his walks? He'll be 50+ by the time people realize they can actually pitch to him.

[andyfox]

He was on base 250 times in the first 98 games he played. This works out to 2.55/game. The best seasonal statistics I could find were Babe Ruth at 2.49, Bonds himself in 2002 also at 2.49 and Ted Williams at 2.34.

[mikeyvegas]

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He was on base 250 times in the first 98 games he played. This works out to 2.55/game. The best seasonal statistics I could find were Babe Ruth at 2.49, Bonds himself in 2002 also at 2.49 and Ted Williams at 2.34.

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You definitely are an A-minus baseball analyst. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[wayabvpar]

Bonds is incredible. I just wish he wasn't such a pr*ck so I could take some joy in his accomplishments instead of hoping that he doesn't break Hank Aaron's record (or even pass Babe Ruth, for that matter).

[Zeno]

They should pitch to him more often. Managers are being way too timid in my opinion. You can get him to pop up a lot. Plus they can pitch him way inside and up. Near the chin is a good spot.

-Zeno

[andyfox]

#700 this year
#714 next year
#715 next year
#755 2006
#756 2006
#800 ??? (probably never)

[J.R.]

Which will Bonds have more of at the end of the season, home runs or strikeouts? He came awful close in 2002, this may be the year.

[andyfox]

After his rookie year, Joe DiMaggio hit 332 home runs and struck out 330 times. So he averaged more home runs than strikeouts. Johnny Mize struck out just 42 times the year he hit 51 home runs. Stan Musial had a year when he hit 39 home runs, striking out only 34 times. The year he hit .400 Ted Williams had 37 home runs and only 27 strikeouts. And Yogi Berra once hit 28 home runs in a season while striking out only 12 times.

[Sooga]

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After his rookie year, Joe DiMaggio hit 332 home runs and struck out 330 times.

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Wow, that's a lot of at bats in one season... and also musta been one hell of a SLG /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[andyfox]

Perhaps to be clearer I could have added "during the rest of his career." But the sentence stands on its own as it originally reads. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[jwvdcw]

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Which will Bonds have more of at the end of the season, home runs or strikeouts? He came awful close in 2002, this may be the year.

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One of the more impressive stats I ever saw:

After about 20 games into the season, Bonds had more home runs that pitches he had swung at and missed /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[bigpooch]

Bonds claims to be fatigued because of all that walking!
(Well, that's what McEnroe said on his show!)

[Usul]

I think they should organize a pay-per-view event before the all star game next year. Barry Bonds fights Terrel Owens to the death, and then they kill the winner. What do you think?

[bigpooch]

An idea for an Electronic Arts game!

[B-Man]

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13 consecutive seasons with 30+HR's.

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And he probably wasn't taking steroids the first 7-8 of those years.

[Clarkmeister]

And 8 years alone would would have put him at like 4th on the all time list IIRC.

[B-Man]

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And 8 years alone would would have put him at like 4th on the all time list IIRC.

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Yeah, his pre-steroid career was extremely impressive--he was the best player in the game.

[1111]

There is no corroborated evidence that Bonds has taken steroids. A nice, legal cocktail of creatine, HGH, protein shakes, and extensive off season workouts with a personal trainer over a 5-10 year period would most certainly produce an impressive physique such as that of the current Bonds, especially considering that Bonds has been blessed with extraordinary athleticism. What people are forgetting is that the current ridiculous workout regimens, and the array of enhancing supplements, are more refined and more prevalent today than in the 80's. In short, let's lay off one of the top 3 players ever until we have some serious evidence that he has done something wrong. And please do not tell me to simply look at the guy. I gained 15 pounds of muscle in 2 months while taking only creatine and working out 45 min. per day.

[Clarkmeister]

"In short, let's lay off one of the top 3 players ever until we have some serious evidence that he has done something wrong."

I'd say the BALCO stuff has at the very least come damn close to your "serious evidence" threshold.

[1111]

I agree in part, Clarkmeister, but he still hasn't been directly linked. Even if his trainer gave steroids to someone else, does that mean Bonds took them? Guilt by association doesn't go very far with me. People have claimed to have given roids to Bonds, or perhaps even to have done them with him, but none of this has been corroborated in anyway other than cheap heresay. I honestly don't care whether he has taken steroids, but the illogical nature in which people look at the situation bothers me.

[ThaSaltCracka]

1111, I agree, but you just opened a can of worms.....

[1111]

Part of why I posted.... /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[ThaSaltCracka]

good luck man, I have had this debate with B-Man before, maybe he will bite and go a round with you.

[B-Man]

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In short, let's lay off one of the top 3 players ever until we have some serious evidence that he has done something wrong.

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There's a lot of evidence he "has done something wrong." As TSC said, we've been thru this debate many times, I don't intend to go thru all the arguments again, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that he's done something wrong, in a big way.