What do you do here?

[IMRichB]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed)

CO (t1305)
Button (t1665)
Hero (t1270)
BB (t1815)
UTG (t750)
MP (t1195)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t100, MP folds, CO calls t100, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t400) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, BB folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG raises to t650 (All-In)</font>, CO calls t650, <font color="CC3333">Hero does what???</font>

Results later.

Thanks,
Rich

[durron597]

I would check-raise allin on that flop.

[Milky]

I don't know if it's right but I'd almost certainly call. Your Ace probably isn't good but you're drawing to the nut flush and/or straight, plus you could get lucky and hit two pair (if you're only against TPTK). Also, with your 300 bet in the pot you're somewhat committed and definitely getting pot odds to call.

Correct me if I'm wrong /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[parappa]

B/c CO is in, I'll call with my nut flush draw even if my ace isn't any good.

[poboys]

You are laying 650:1800 or roughly 3:1 on a call. Most likely, though, you should or will put all of your chips in, so you'd be getting 1170:2255 or roughly 2:1. You are a 2:1 dog to hit your flush. But, you have other outs, including your 7 and runner-runner straights.

Let's look at a couple of scenarios, first a bad one.

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 7s 304 33.67 596 66.00 3 0.33 0.338
Ad Kh 6 0.66 894 99.00 3 0.33 0.008
6c 6d 590 65.34 313 34.66 0 0.00 0.653

But even here you are getting close to EV=0
...or if you are up against two pair

As 7s 433 47.95 467 51.72 3 0.33 0.481
Ad Kh 150 16.61 750 83.06 3 0.33 0.167
Ac 5c 317 35.11 583 64.56 3 0.33 0.352

Gotta like them odds or up against the straight.
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 7s 388 42.97 491 54.37 24 2.66 0.443
Ad Kh 319 35.33 572 63.34 12 1.33 0.360
8c 7d 172 19.05 719 79.62 12 1.33 0.197

still makes you happy. finally, the least-talked about hand. what if you are up against a not-nut flush draw:
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 7s 396 43.85 495 54.82 12 1.33 0.445
Ad Kh 483 53.49 408 45.18 12 1.33 0.542
Ks Qs 12 1.33 891 98.67 0 0.00 0.013

So, with all of that being said, if you hate getting in marginal situations, then fold. But, I'd push in a heartbeat. Worse case I am about EV=0 (from a chips perspective) but most likely I am +EV and given the ability to have T3450 in chips 4 handed that's +$ EV.

[Potowame]

your #'s are alittle off, he is getting 5.71-1 on that flop call, his 300 bet is part of the pot not chips in his hand. so he has to call 350 to win 2000. "easy call"

I would find it strange for the CO to smooth call here with a big hand, I would say its highly likley you have him beat already, and he is after a smaller flush. The pot is so big , he would want you out or make you pay to stay with AK, AQ or a SET or two pair.

[StogeyMike]

What were you hoping for from the flop when you completed your SB? Probably exactly what you got, which is the nut flush draw. Sure, a made flush would have been better, but it seems to me that this about as good as you could expect.

I don't usually bet out when I have a flush draw in a tournament setting (unlike a regular cash game), preferring to take the free card if I can, or just call bets until I'm made or beat. This helps me avoid the large re-raises like the one you are facing here from the CO. A little weak, maybe, but drawing hands can be the death of a tournament player.

A call here is definitely in order. It commits a lot of chips, but you're already committed. No way can you fold, and if you don't hit the flush on the turn and face a large (all-in) bet from CO you can consider a fold then.

I think one of the hardest things to do is to get away from a draw to the nuts when it starts getting expensive. So, what happened?

[DCIAce]

The only time you can fold this hand, is if you've played with the CO enough to know that he'll only smooth-call with a Set in this spot.. if that's the case, then you can call and fold on the turn unimproved if the board pairs.

Considering this is just an average sit and go, I'll assume you don't have that knowledge.. therefore you can either call and hope CO doesn't push on the turn if you check to him on the turn unimproved, or just push all in here.

On the turn, you'll be getting 9-2 odds to call. Here, you're getting almost 7-1.. I don't think you can find a fold here.

[IMRichB]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed)

CO (t1305)
Button (t1665)
Hero (t1270)
BB (t1815)
UTG (t750)
MP (t1195)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t100, MP folds, CO calls t100, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t400) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, BB folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG raises to t650 (All-In)</font>, CO calls t650, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t1170 (All-In)</font>, CO calls t520.

Turn: (t3390) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t3390) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3390

Results:
UTG shows 2c Ac (one pair, aces).
CO shows Ks Ad (one pair, aces).
Hero shows 7s As (straight, nine high).
Outcome: Hero wins t3390.


Thanks for the replies. I felt like pushing was the right thing to do, but when I saw the CO's AK I started wondering whether it was right to risk my entire stack when I most likely needed some help (even though I did have a ton of outs). When the runner-runner came through I breathed a big sigh of relief.

Thanks,

Rich