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Tharpab
08-09-2004, 09:20 PM
Raises on the flop sometime scares some gamblers(gutshots, etc)since he will not win his fair share and you have an long term +EV on him, woundlt you want him calling ALWAYS?

I dont understand this concept, maybe its means you want them out so they DONT CLAIM their fair EV?This means that preflop they had a % pot equity(pe) and you want him to fold so him doesnt get his PE and it increases yours?If this is the case woundly be better to let him claim but let him VP$IP, you will get the same PE but with a higher $EV, is this a variance technique or something?

elindauer
08-09-2004, 11:09 PM
Protecting your hand simply means betting / raising enough that it is incorrect for your opponents to call you. For your example, if the pot was small, then yes, you might not want to raise to drive out a gutshot, as his call is profitable for you. In a big pot, it's a different story.

Once you have protected your hand, you frequently do want them to call, but only then.

Check out "Theory of Poker" if you haven't already.

Good luck.
Eric

bisonbison
08-09-2004, 11:26 PM
Why protect your hand?Wouldnt be better people VP$IP?

Raises on the flop sometime scares some gamblers(gutshots, etc)since he will not win his fair share and you have an long term +EV on him, woundlt you want him calling ALWAYS?

I dont understand this concept, maybe its means you want them out so they DONT CLAIM their fair EV?This means that preflop they had a % pot equity(pe) and you want him to fold so him doesnt get his PE and it increases yours?If this is the case woundly be better to let him claim but let him VP$IP, you will get the same PE but with a higher $EV, is this a variance technique or something?


Cocaine is a hell of a drug. Take a deep breath and look at your keyboard as you type.

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08-09-2004, 11:33 PM
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Protecting your hand simply means betting / raising enough that it is incorrect for your opponents to call you. For your example, if the pot was small, then yes, you might not want to raise to drive out a gutshot, as his call is profitable for you. In a big pot, it's a different story.

Once you have protected your hand, you frequently do want them to call, but only then.

Check out "Theory of Poker" if you haven't already.

Good luck.
Eric

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Here is an example of what Eric is saying. Lets say you have AK UTG and have flopped A-10-x. BB bets into you and the pot is now offering 12:1 to call but if you raise, you are now making the guy behind you with a gutshot (ie - KQ) incorrect effective odds to call because you are changing his odds from 13:1 to 7:1 by simply raising.
So if you only call, you are making a -EV play. If you raise, you are making a +EV play.

MAxx
08-10-2004, 12:28 AM
lol, well said