I will never play at Zerorake.com

[real843]

I was actually thinking of testing the site out until this moron starts spamming all of the tables at Party. That makes me sooo pissed off.

This is what he wrote:


Aces4Win: TIRED OF GETTING RIPPED OFF BY PAYING THE RAKE, 3 DOLLARS PER HAND? GREAT NEWS HAS ARRIVED!!! A NEW SITE HAS OPENED WHERE U CAN PLAY FOR FREE FOR REAL MONEY!! I DONT WORK FOR THEM JUST A PLAYER LIKE U AND WANT U ALL TO KNOW - THE NAME OF THE SITE IS zerorake.com!!! PLEASE CHECK IT OUT!! ALL THEY NEED NOW IS PLAYERS. PLEASE CHECK IT OUT. BYE MIKE


Is there a way to get these morons who spam the chat banned?

[47outs]

[ QUOTE ]


Is there a way to get these morons who spam the chat banned?

[/ QUOTE ]

Ya, but. They can come back over and over using a different handle. As we've seen here at 2+2, the determination of certain people wanting to cause trouble is unrelenting.

Cherry kool-aid is tasty.

outs

[Webster]

I get that at Party also.

[Lori]

You can copy that to Party and let them check for themselves.

Whilst they never seem to ban affiliate spammers for their own site, I'm sure that someone advertising a different site would be of great interest to them.

I've heard about the zero rake spammers here, and have them at high priority for my research.

At some point I'll start giving them as much hassle as possible, because nobody spams the zoo and survives to tell the tale, ask Cyanide.

Lori

[cthomer5000]

I *always* report spammers to party.
alerts@partypoker.com

[dogmeat]

Wow, you hate spam, but quote the spammers chit in a new post. Smart.

Dogmeat /images/graemlins/spade.gif

[Thythe]

[ QUOTE ]
Wow, you hate spam, but quote the spammers chit in a new post. Smart.

Dogmeat /images/graemlins/spade.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe it's a trick and he really works for Zerorake, trying to get the message out. We aren't fooled!!

[Alobar]

I could proally actually tell you who it is. There are a few regulars at zerorake who have frequently talked about doing this. They've decided to spend a few minutes each day spamming party in hopes it will bring some fish to the site.

Which also goes to prove my theory that the spammers on here wern't shills just excited n00bs.

[real843]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr />
Quote:
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Wow, you hate spam, but quote the spammers chit in a new post. Smart.

Dogmeat


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Maybe it's a trick and he really works for Zerorake, trying to get the message out. We aren't fooled!!


[/ QUOTE ]

LOL. Now that would be very intelligent writing about how much you hate spammers and in the same sentence trying to spam...

The reasons why I copy/pasted what he wrote is simple:

1. Hopefully he will get a bad reputation if someone recognizes his screenname.
2. I don't like to come with false accusations without proof /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[real843]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr />

I *always* report spammers to party.
alerts@partypoker.com



[/ QUOTE ]

Done!


----- Original Message -----
From: XXXXXXXX
To: alerts@partypoker.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:46 AM
Subject: Spammers at the tables


Hi.

I've recently found out that your tables are being invaded by spammers. It is beginning to become very annoying. Are you planning on taking action against them? This is just one of them that spammed several of your tables:

Aces4Win: TIRED OF GETTING RIPPED OFF BY PAYING THE RAKE, 3 DOLLARS PER HAND? GREAT NEWS HAS ARRIVED!!! A NEW SITE HAS OPENED WHERE U CAN PLAY FOR FREE FOR REAL MONEY!! I DONT WORK FOR THEM JUST A PLAYER LIKE U AND WANT U ALL TO KNOW - THE NAME OF THE SITE IS zerorake.com!!! PLEASE CHECK IT OUT!! ALL THEY NEED NOW IS PLAYERS. PLEASE CHECK IT OUT. BYE MIKE


I hope you atleast shut his chat off.

Regards

XXXXXX

If anyone is interested I could post the reply here, if I get one that is...

[Bytestream]

Good Job!

We don't want to see that no rake site gain any popularity. It just wouldnt be the same beating up on the fish if we werent paying three bucks a pot to do it.

And since Party has the best software, support and rewards programs in the industry it would be foolish to attract the fish to play at another site.

[real843]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr />
Good Job!

We don't want to see that no rake site gain any popularity. It just wouldnt be the same beating up on the fish if we werent paying three bucks a pot to do it.

And since Party has the best software, support and rewards programs in the industry it would be foolish to attract the fish to play at another site.



[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not discussing wheither or not party is the best nor am I claiming it's a good thing to pay high rake. My point is I want to be able to play wherever I want without being bombarded with spam! There are other ways of making the fish go to a site with lower rake...

[Flawed]

[ QUOTE ]
I was actually thinking of testing the site out until this moron starts spamming all of the tables at Party. That makes me sooo pissed off.

This is what he wrote:


Aces4Win: TIRED OF GETTING RIPPED OFF BY PAYING THE RAKE, 3 DOLLARS PER HAND? GREAT NEWS HAS ARRIVED!!! A NEW SITE HAS OPENED WHERE U CAN PLAY FOR FREE FOR REAL MONEY!! I DONT WORK FOR THEM JUST A PLAYER LIKE U AND WANT U ALL TO KNOW - THE NAME OF THE SITE IS zerorake.com!!! PLEASE CHECK IT OUT!! ALL THEY NEED NOW IS PLAYERS. PLEASE CHECK IT OUT. BYE MIKE


Is there a way to get these morons who spam the chat banned?

[/ QUOTE ]

So if i came to your table and said pokerstars was the greatest site ever you would never play there because of me?

Its funny though part of the reason these people are such harcore zerorake supporters is because they probably missed out on a rake rebate from party, and you happen to be getting that rebate lets hope they dont report you as easily as you reported them or your rake sharing affiliate just might be banned, possibly turning you into a zerorake supporter.

For the record Im not a huge zerorake supporter, but Im not going to get mad when someone spams for a site that could save me thousands of dollars if successful.

[real843]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr />
So if i came to your table and said pokerstars was the greatest site ever you would never play there because of me?

Its funny though part of the reason these people are such harcore zerorake supporters is because they probably missed out on a rake rebate from party, and you happen to be getting that rebate lets hope they dont report you as easily as you reported them or your rake sharing affiliate just might be banned, possibly turning you into a zerorake supporter.

For the record Im not a huge zerorake supporter, but Im not going to get mad when someone spams for a site that could save me thousands of dollars if successful.


[/ QUOTE ]

There seems to be a lot of misenterpretations here. At the occation I was playing 4 tables and this guy comes to every friggin table writing this. Hence it is not just one table. Let me clarify again: I am not discussing the contents of the spam, I am trying to express my opinion on spam in the chat at party. I now realize i chose the wrong subject of this thread and i apologize for that.I feel this type of behaviour is inacceptable! So what can I then do in order to express my opinions in this case?

1. Nothing and accept the fact that morons will always pollute the environment with spam.

2. Try to counterfeit their actions and report them plus try to give them a bad reputation.

3. Turn chat off and miss other players chat wich may give some tells.

I chose number two as this made me fed up, this was the 3rd spammer during my 1 hour session.

[Lori]

Its funny though part of the reason these people are such harcore zerorake supporters is because they probably missed out on a rake rebate from party, and you happen to be getting that rebate lets hope they dont report you as easily as you reported them or your rake sharing affiliate just might be banned, possibly turning you into a zerorake supporter.

For the record Im not a huge zerorake supporter, but Im not going to get mad when someone spams for a site that could save me thousands of dollars if successful.



I don't get a rake rebate from anywhere because I play within the rules, I have advised most people to take rebates and some not to, depending on their own criteria.

However any site that needs to stoop so low as to spam message boards to the extent that they did, and then spam a competitor is clearly just not going to have the funding required to maintain a decent site.

There are levels of risk, I can't and won't say that zero rake is 100% doomed to failure, because that would be unfair.

What I can say is that based on past experience of new sites, the more desperate their spam, the more likely they have been to pull a fast one on their customers.

For previous instances of obvious sites to avoid see NightorDay and Choice.
Both had a policy of apparently good bonus/lure, both ripped off their customers (unless something changed whilst I was away) and both spammed these boards heavily.

I can't see anything wrong with downloading the software, but I wouldn't recommend anyone deposit at a site that uses such desperate measures.

Remember there is no rake, so the affiliates are likely on very little, leaving the only option that it is most likely the owners that are spamming everywhere.

Lori

[Flawed]

[ QUOTE ]


There seems to be a lot of misenterpretations here. At the occation I was playing 4 tables and this guy comes to every friggin table writing this. Hence it is not just one table. Let me clarify again: I am not discussing the contents of the spam, I am trying to express my opinion on spam in the chat at party. I now realize i chose the wrong subject of this thread and i apologize for that.I feel this type of behaviour is inacceptable! So what can I then do in order to express my opinions in this case?

1. Nothing and accept the fact that morons will always pollute the environment with spam.

2. Try to counterfeit their actions and report them plus try to give them a bad reputation.

3. Turn chat off and miss other players chat wich may give some tells.

I chose number two as this made me fed up, this was the 3rd spammer during my 1 hour session.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok fair enough, but you should have definately not named your post "I will never play at Zerorake.com"
and started it with.
[ QUOTE ]
I was actually thinking of testing the site out until this moron starts spamming all of the tables at Party. That makes me sooo pissed off.


[/ QUOTE ]

I see where youre coming from though you were pissed at the spammer, but it wasnt enough so you got pissed at the site he was spamming for, but that wasnt enough so you posted it here still not enough so you reported him. Thats fine, but i hope hes not the reason youre not going to give zr a try. There are many reason why you shouldnt play at zero rake, but this one is just silly.

[Flawed]

I agree with you completely if these spammers work for zerorake. I dont think they do 50% of the spammers are players who just figured out what they are paying in rake and 50% are trolls looking for attention. If you look over at the books/software forum the exact same thing is going on every second post is some newbie praising SSH but no one is accusing ED of hiring these people to promote his book. Which actual seems more likely considering that book was terrible.

only kidding ed it was above average.

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
However any site that needs to stoop so low as to spam message boards to the extent that they did, and then spam a competitor is clearly just not going to have the funding required to maintain a decent site.

[/ QUOTE ]

Lori, zerorake is NOT responsible for this spam. Like I said, I know the people involved and they are just excited players.

[ QUOTE ]
I can't see anything wrong with downloading the software, but I wouldn't recommend anyone deposit at a site that uses such desperate measures.

Remember there is no rake, so the affiliates are likely on very little, leaving the only option that it is most likely the owners that are spamming everywhere.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

I've pretty much decided to quite posting on zerorake stuff, because I'm tired of all the "anti zerorake" retards, who are every bit as annoying as the "omg! zerorake is the best site ever!" retards. But since you've ben gone for a while I figured I'd chime in.

There are lots of equally viable scenerios as to what causes the spam, so to say that it most likely is the people actually involved with the site is a bit unfair.

As for the site itself, I have no idea if it will succeed or not. I think it all depends on how much financial backing they have. But all I can say for certain is that so far I have experienced no problems or had any shady happenings. I've made prolly about 6 cash outs, and they have all been in my neteller acount in under 8 hours. I've played several thousands of hands and while there is no downloadable hand histories, I havent seen anything odd. In my opinion the site is no more likely to rip me off than any other site that starts up. Just use some common sense if you are going to play there, keep your account balance small if its a concern to you and be aware that the possibility does exist that they could be "out to get you". But to simply asume that they are more likely to do so because they are using a different buisness model really is unfair. They could be just as honorable (or just as crooked) as anyone else, the fact they have the potential to make less profit than party or any other rake site, doesnt make them criminals.

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
If you look over at the books/software forum the exact same thing is going on every second post is some newbie praising SSH but no one is accusing ED of hiring these people to promote his book.


[/ QUOTE ]

brilliant example

[thomastem]

The irritable bowel syndrome that we went through was 2 fold. 1st spammers bad mouthed Party and pumped up Zero then innocent posters asking about the site were hammered as spammers.

But then it really got crazy....

Simon accused me of chasing away veteran posters such as MS Sunshine. Dilbert tried to steal some of my sheep. Breakeven gave away that he was Dilbert and that both are made of stardust.

They let Steven Punk back to posting and Christina B offered an open wager to all 2+2ers that Punk would not last 200 posts. Pittm scared Granny to RGP. Big Mo married John Shaft.

We missed you Lori.

[daryn]

c'mon alobar. that guy was just an "excited player"? BS.

hands down the stupidest thing you've ever said.

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
c'mon alobar. that guy was just an "excited player"? BS.

hands down the stupidest thing you've ever said.

[/ QUOTE ]

well seeing as how I know for a FACT that there are zerorake players who go spam party (I've watched them talk about it while playing at zerorake), I really don't see how that could possibly be considered as the stupidest thing I've ever said. If you would care to elaborate as to why you feel its the stupidest thing I've ever said, that would prolly be a little more helpful than just slamming me.

[daryn]

so if you know that zerorake players spam party, why would you claim that the player in question was not a spammer, but rather "an excited player"?



this was the exact statement i was referring to:

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In risposta di:</font><hr />
Lori, zerorake is NOT responsible for this spam. Like I said, I know the people involved and they are just excited players.


[/ QUOTE ]

[Alobar]

I never said the player wasnt a spammer. I said that Zerorake wasn't involved in the spam. It was an excited player doing the spam, not someone working for zerorake.

[thomastem]

[ QUOTE ]
I never said the player wasnt a spammer. I said that Zerorake wasn't involved in the spam. It was an excited player doing the spam, not someone working for zerorake.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think we have a winner!

[daryn]

ok thanks for clearing that up. now THAT is the dumbest thing you've ever said.

[thomastem]

[ QUOTE ]
ok thanks for clearing that up. now THAT is the dumbest thing you've ever said.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm quite sure I've said dumber. Don't make me prove it.

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
ok thanks for clearing that up. now THAT is the dumbest thing you've ever said.

[/ QUOTE ]

huh? I cleared it up, yet its still dumb?

[daryn]

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[CountDuckula]

[ QUOTE ]
/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Here's what it sounds to me like Alobar is saying:

1. People working for Zerorake are not the ones doing the spamming.

2. The people that are doing the spamming are players getting together on ZR and discussing methods of getting more players on ZR, because they're so excited about ZR's concept.

3. Therefore, Zerorake is not responsible for the spamming.

Make sense?

-Mike

[OrangeHeat]

[ QUOTE ]
2. The people that are doing the spamming are players getting together on ZR and discussing methods of getting more players on ZR, because they're so excited about ZR's concept.


[/ QUOTE ]

I have a couple acres in manhattan that I will sell you too!

Orange

[CountDuckula]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
2. The people that are doing the spamming are players getting together on ZR and discussing methods of getting more players on ZR, because they're so excited about ZR's concept.


[/ QUOTE ]

I have a couple acres in manhattan that I will sell you too!

Orange

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't say I believed that; I only said that was my interpretation of what Alobar said. He says he's seen players on ZR doing just that; I haven't been on there long enough to tell, as there seem to be only 3-4 people on when I log in, so I just shrug and go someplace else.

-Mike

[OrangeHeat]

I understand it was not meant for you /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Orange

[BreakEvenPlayer]

[ QUOTE ]
Breakeven gave away that he was Dilbert and that both are made of stardust.

[/ QUOTE ]

I've been gone a couple weeks. When did this one happen? Can you give me a link TT?

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
2. The people that are doing the spamming are players getting together on ZR and discussing methods of getting more players on ZR, because they're so excited about ZR's concept.


[/ QUOTE ]

I have a couple acres in manhattan that I will sell you too!

Orange

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah your prolly right orangeheat. I'm sure that they were really shills who play at zerorake disguised as players (bad ones at that too...cuz who would believe you were a shill if you lose money all the time) and I accidently stumbled into their corporate meeting they decided to hold on a public gaming table for convience sakes, because they ddin't want to have to quit losing money to other players just to hold a meeting on how to spam the world. Forgive me for my ignorance *rolls eyes*

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
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[/ QUOTE ]

Here's what it sounds to me like Alobar is saying:

1. People working for Zerorake are not the ones doing the spamming.

2. The people that are doing the spamming are players getting together on ZR and discussing methods of getting more players on ZR, because they're so excited about ZR's concept.

3. Therefore, Zerorake is not responsible for the spamming.

Make sense?

-Mike

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm glad someone gets what I'm saying. I thought it was pretty obvious what I was trying to convey

[daryn]

i completely understand what you were trying to say. i just think it's obvious BS.

[thomastem]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Breakeven gave away that he was Dilbert and that both are made of stardust.

[/ QUOTE ]

I've been gone a couple weeks. When did this one happen? Can you give me a link TT?

[/ QUOTE ]

No because you are so anti critter.

Stop being lazy and go to Breakeven's profile and look at his recent posts.

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
i completely understand what you were trying to say. i just think it's obvious BS.

[/ QUOTE ]

how is it obvious BS?

[daryn]

well my bullshit detector exploded upon analysis. you tell me!

[OrangeHeat]

[ QUOTE ]
well my bullshit detector exploded upon analysis

[/ QUOTE ]

Mine has been broken since Alobar started posting anything concerning ZR.

Orange

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
well my bullshit detector exploded upon analysis. you tell me!

[/ QUOTE ]

way to explain.

What exactly is bullshit? Basicaly then you are saying I'm a liar and never actually saw anyone on zerorake talk about going and spamming on party. If thats what you are saying, at least have the balls to say it.

[daryn]

ok i'm saying you're a liar.


wow that was tough.

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
well my bullshit detector exploded upon analysis

[/ QUOTE ]

Mine has been broken since Alobar started posting anything concerning ZR.

Orange

[/ QUOTE ]

remember when I said I quit posting about zerorake because of idiots...guess who I think idiot #1 is?

[Thythe]

this is a fun thread

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
ok i'm saying you're a liar.


wow that was though.

[/ QUOTE ]

apparently it was, it took you about 4 posts to finally get the balls to do it.

[daryn]

ok chief.. good luck with your site!


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[OrangeHeat]

Well at least you have a higher opinion of me than I do of you.

Orange

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
ok chief.. good luck with your site!


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[/ QUOTE ]

*sigh* I love how I actually post consturctive posts on the subject, put out an actual argument backing up the way I believe, have never made stupid blanket statements like " zerorake would NEVER rip anyone off and you should deposit there immediatly!!" (I've said from my experience I don't believe this to be true, but you should exercise caution if its a concern), yet people just swoop in without an argument or even a statement backing up their belief, cry "shill!" and "liar!" like thats some well thought out response and then think they've done justice for everyone involved.

good stuff.

[daryn]

thus ends the battle.


daryn: 1

zerorake shill: 0



TILT! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[thomastem]

The final reply on this thread gets all of my Stars play money.

I'm winning.

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
thus ends the battle.


daryn: 1

zerorake shill: 0



TILT! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

way to prove my point....thanks

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
The final reply on this thread gets all of my Stars play money.

I'm winning.

[/ QUOTE ]

how much are we talking here? stars play money can fetch a good price on Ebay

[daryn]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In risposta di:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class="small">In risposta di:</font><hr />
thus ends the battle.


daryn: 1

zerorake shill: 0



TILT! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]



way to prove my point....thanks

[/ QUOTE ]


daryn: 2

clown: 0

[thwang99]

Is there anything pointing to Alobar being a shill for ZR? He's been around for a while, and hasn't made shill-like postings. But I haven't read all his posts.

[daryn]

no.. i thought anyone could tell i was just fooling around. i don't actually believe he is a shill. or is he? haha

the question is do i care?

the answer is no!

like i have said previously, i have nothing against zerorake. i got my free 6 mo. membership, and i'd play there IF THERE WERE ANY GAMES WHATSOEVER.

[lefty rosen]

You like playing a high rake and getting nothing for it(not even bs clothes or a minute rakeback)? If just 10 percent of Party players joined that site I would think I was getting free keys to the Mustang ranch and I was given the ability to run ruffshod over the phillies....... Where is your head?

[mikimaus]

It's not OK to do that on another site (competitor), and it's not allowed (it's not legal). I however would not call it "spam" in a sense, as if you know anything at all you should be happy, until it turns out to be otherwise.

[real843]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr />
It's not OK to do that on another site (competitor), and it's not allowed (it's not legal). I however would not call it "spam" in a sense, as if you know anything at all you should be happy, until it turns out to be otherwise.



[/ QUOTE ]


Err, per definition this is spam.


Quotation from http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/spam.html

Excessive Multi-Posting (EMP) has the same meaning as the term "spam" usually carries, but it is more accurate and self-explanatory. EMP means, essentially, "too many separate copies of a substantively identical article."

[Lori]

I however would not call it "spam" in a sense, as if you know anything at all you should be happy, until it turns out to be otherwise.

I am far from happy at people spamming. If they have a legitimate business they should advertise on TV and in magazines and pay for banners like all respectable people do.
(Okay, no TV in USA, but there is here)

To say that I know nothing is to expose your own lack of knowledge and understanding, and for future reference, even if you're the cleverest person in the world, coming here with six posts and acting like a dick is not going to gain you respect.

P.S. Next time you get all abusive, at least try to be right.

Lori