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MicroBob
08-07-2004, 10:44 PM
okay...i had just woken up and turned on the tube and WPT was on. here's the scenario as best i can recall.


5 players left....big stack has 200k or so and i believe raises UTG to 20k with KTo.
short-stack (maybe on the button) goes all-in with QQ for around 35k.

big stack calls and loses the race.


sexton went on and on about what a terrible play this was.
now, i don't know what the blinds were at this point....but i really disagree.
there's a variety of hands where a short-stack might decide to roll the dice here.

and if KT is behind to a hand like QQ he's still getting the pot-odds to call as i believe he has something like a 25-30% chance to win the race anyway.


if i didn't see the hand correctly i apologize.
i also apologize if this hand has been discussed previously...i hadn't seen this episode yet.

but if i saw the hand correctly then i'm really surprised how sexton went so hyper that the KT guy should lay down here when it wasn't too much more to call.
he was really going off about having to respect somebody when they are pushing all-in and was totally neglecting stack-size in his argument.

anybody have any details on this hand that i got wrong?? or have any other ideas?

exist
08-07-2004, 11:44 PM
i can't remember exactly what was going on at the time, but i do remember thinking that it was a terrible call. luis the casino owner made many loose calls throughout the final table.

btw, the blinds were something like 1k-2k or 2k-4k.

MicroBob
08-08-2004, 12:10 AM
i don't know about 5-10x the BB with KTo PF.
seems a little silly.

but after he had already committed 20k what was so wrong with tossing another 15k in there??
i would think calling an all-in if it was 25k to 30k more would be 'terrible'.
but for just another 15k he seemed close enough to pot-committed for it to be okay.

AtlBrvs4Life
08-08-2004, 03:39 AM
Raising KTo UTG for that much is a mistake. The call is a given getting 3.7:1.

MicroBob
08-08-2004, 04:58 PM
i thought the call was a given also.
but sexton seemed to completely ignore the pot-odds involved.
i thought his reaction was pretty extreme to a fairly obvious call.

Tosh
08-09-2004, 06:52 AM
If I raised 72o UTG 21 times the BB and someone went all in for 23 times the BB, the call is a given yet I still played it like a retard.

Kaz The Original
08-09-2004, 12:51 PM
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Raising KTo UTG for that much is a mistake. The call is a given getting 3.7:1.

[/ QUOTE ]

At the final table of a tourney? You don't get the win with Type A hands alone.

MicroBob
08-10-2004, 12:52 AM
sexton didn't seem to have a problem with raising it UTG. he had a huge problem with calling an all-in with it.

he was extremely critical to call because you should know your hand is beat, especially against a tight short-stack going all-in (huh?). it didn't matter to him that it was not much more to call and that the pot-odds would demand a call even if he KNEW his opponent had QQ and was a big favorite


if i saw the hand correctly then sexton's assessment was just plain bizarre.

Tosh
08-10-2004, 11:05 AM
Just watched the hand, he had odds of 2.21 on his call. (23.5k into 52k pot) Thats not an automatic call, I would agree with Sexton that it is a pretty bad call.