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Saborion

08-07-2004, 01:28 AM

A $5+1 sng at Party with half the table being 2+2:ers. Questions at the end of the hand.

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+2 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t830)
CO (t800)
Button (t785)
SB (t830)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t755)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (14 SB, t210) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (7 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, MP3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, Hero caps, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (17 BB, t510) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (33 BB, t990) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, Hero folds, MP2 caps, Button calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 46 BB (t1380)
Main Pot: 46 BB (t1380), between MP2, Button and SB.

1: Do I raise this one pre-flop?
2: On the flop I should be making money on every bet that goes into the pot, even though I believe the player behind me might have a straight? 1 ace, 2 jacks, 3 queens = 6 outs to a boat or better. 3.2:1, 4 opponents. I overdid the turn though, badly.
3: On the river, do I call one bet, but no more? Since it should be pretty obvious by now that MP2 has a straight, it's kind of pointless, isn't it?

BradleyT

08-07-2004, 01:52 AM

1. While a suited ace would be better, I'd still raise PF until I was out of chips with your hand.
2. Against 6 random hands you're a 40% favorite and they're all ~9%. Obviously with 6 players in the pot you truely are against random hands. On the turn you're still making more than your fair share of every chip going into the pot with 4 opponents.
3. That's a huge pot. You could easily be up against QQ or JJ or nut low hands. I'd call it down since you will win 23 BB for high more often than you think.

There were calling stations galore at this table - all non 2+2ers.

Saborion

08-07-2004, 10:39 AM

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On the turn you're still making more than your fair share of every chip going into the pot with 4 opponents.

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How can I be making money on the turn with only 3 opponents if I'm drawing to a boat or better?

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There were calling stations galore at this table - all non 2+2ers.

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And ChrisD.

BradleyT

08-07-2004, 12:03 PM

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On the turn you're still making more than your fair share of every chip going into the pot with 4 opponents.

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How can I be making money on the turn with only 3 opponents if I'm drawing to a boat or better?

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There were calling stations galore at this table - all non 2+2ers.

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And ChrisD.

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You have more than 25% pot equity on the turn.

How do you even describe ChrisD? Is there even a term for the next level down from calling station? I mean the guy keeps putting money in the pot even after he mucks his hand! Talk about an action junky!

Saborion

08-07-2004, 11:20 PM

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You have more than 25% pot equity on the turn.

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How did you get to that number?

BradleyT

08-08-2004, 01:08 AM

Here (http://koti.mbnet.fi/jraevaar/pokercalculator/)

Saborion

08-08-2004, 09:53 AM

Well, I entered my hand, KTxx for one opponent, 2 random opponents and the board. And the number I got was 18.85 %, which is even worse than the ~21 % I expected. Please let me know how you got to 25 %. I just can see that number given that I have 8 outs to beat a straight.