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fnord_too
08-07-2004, 12:23 AM
I decided to one table a 10/20 game to see what it was like. Haven't had any starting hands, but I did win two of my big blinds when I got a free flop. Here is another BB hand. Too aggressive on the flop? To weak on the turn?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, MP folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero folds, UTG calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
UTG shows Jd 5d (one pair, eights).
Button shows 9h Th (one pair, eights).
Outcome: UTG wins 8.25 BB. </font>

One more hand. Do I value bet this river?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
BB shows Tc 9c (one pair, nines).
Hero shows 7h 7s (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: BB wins 8.25 BB. </font>

Peter_rus
08-07-2004, 02:10 AM
1 hand looks cool.
2 hand - i would mix my bets on river with checking with these boards. If you always bet river in these situations people would never believe in your ace, while if you honestly check occasionally the river they can fold to your river bet their trash pairs.

stripsqueez
08-07-2004, 04:34 AM
i think you should check/fold hand 1 - a better flop to bet at would be K 7 3 - if your going to get up the nose of loose aggro guys get ready to call them down when there is anything that looks like a draw on the board

i let the guy at the back steal pot after pot when i have crappy pair crappy kicker - when i'm hopeful he has noticed i'll start check raising

i dont think you have a value bet on hand 2 - not close unless you think this guy will call down with a king

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

fnord_too
08-07-2004, 07:56 AM
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i dont think you have a value bet on hand 2 - not close unless you think this guy will call down with a king

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

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What about in this hand? I don't think I have one here either, but I have trouble knowing when to value bet underpairs. Do I get a crying call from something like AJ or 66 enough to make it a good bet?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
SB shows Jc Kh (high card, king).
Hero shows 9h 9c (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.50 BB. </font>

Chris Daddy Cool
08-07-2004, 08:16 AM
Hand 2: You gotta check this one behind on the river methinks. You got overcards galore and the only thing you can beat is K high or bottom pair and it would suck to get checkraised on this river HU when you had a showdownable hand.

chio
08-07-2004, 09:54 AM
pretty much agree with what stripsqueez said

hand 2, check the river
hand 1, dont goto war with second pair no kicker 3way. even if you are ahead, you'll probably be behind by the end of the hand. given the line you took, i'd check fold, otherwise i'd bet it out to see what my opponents do while not completely tying myself to the pot