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Aviston
08-06-2004, 01:05 PM
Ultimate Bet 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, MP3 calls,

Flop: (9.40 SB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP3 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP3 folds.

Turn: (5.70 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (7.70 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.70 BB

Sent
08-06-2004, 01:11 PM
With 4 to the flush on the board and it is heads-up and you are last to act I probably would've taken a shot at it and bet, but checking here isnt bad either.

-Sent

easypete
08-06-2004, 01:14 PM
I'm betting.

BB may have a A or K (thus the calling, and not too happy). A river bet may make BB fold. Checking is good (free showdown) and your hand may stand up.

Retrosquatter
08-06-2004, 01:24 PM
Only bet on the river if you are SURE that you have the best hand.

On this board there is a flush possibility, and a possible pair of kings or aces out there.

By betting the river in this hand, you are going to have one of three outcomes... 1) You get called by a player who possibly has your hand well and truly beaten, or 2) you get check raised by a player who has your hand beat, or 3) your opponent, who has a lesser hand than you, folds their hand because the board has scared the bejeezes out of them.

Whatever the outcome, betting the river, most probably, will not earn you any more money, and by checking the river, you may have potentially saved one bet...

... the river check is fine...

bisonbison
08-06-2004, 01:31 PM
Only bet on the river if you are SURE that you have the best hand.

If this is your typical river strategy, you are missing thousands of value bets.

chief444
08-06-2004, 01:33 PM
The way BB played this hand, I doubt if he is folding many if any better hands. But even the loosest of players will probably fold most hands you beat here. I think this is a good check on the river.

Aviston
08-06-2004, 01:34 PM
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If this is your typical river strategy, you are missing thousands of value bets.

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Is my situation above cause for a value bet? I don't see how it could be.

Transference
08-06-2004, 01:42 PM
Value bet the river when there is a very good possibilty that lesser hands will call your bet. In this situation you also need to be asking yourself will this be checked to me despite my being beat? There are a wide range of hands he could have that have you beat and he isnt likely to stick around without an A, K or diamond.

Value bet when there is a reasonable chance you have the best hand and a good chance that worse hands will call.

Aviston
08-06-2004, 01:44 PM
I know what a value bet is /images/graemlins/smile.gif. I was just confused as to whether or not bison was saying this situation was, in fact, a value betting situation (which I don't think it is).

Transference
08-06-2004, 01:48 PM
My bad Aviston, no offense intended.

FWIW I think he was just making the point that never betting the river unless your sure you have the best hand is a major leak.

Aviston
08-06-2004, 01:52 PM
No offense taken. I agree that's most likely what he was implying, but hey, better to ask just to make sure that I'm not missing something.

Retrosquatter
08-06-2004, 01:54 PM
If my hand will be called by lesser hands then yes, I will bet the river, but if my hand is most likely dominated, and will be called by a better hand, then I would be better off checking, so as to avoid a check raise.

I play one table at a time, so that I can get a good read on what players will bet, call or raise with. And if I read that I am dominated by my opponent, then I will slow down my play on the river and instead call for just one bet.