Did I extract the maximum with this flush?

[bisonbison]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls,

Flop: (6.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

River: (3.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 3.25 BB

[kgrad5]

well played... if you replace hero checks with hero bets on the flop and river and maybe even the turn... what happened here?

[Songwind]

Why didn't you ever bet?

[bisonbison]

Why didn't you ever bet?

I wanted to checkraise.

Then I wanted to check-call.

Then I wanted to check-call.

[chief444]

I think you pick this pot up 1 in 4 times or better with a turn bet.

edit: I also think A-high calls this river but does not bet this river.

[bisonbison]

I think you pick this pot up 1 in 4 times or better with a turn bet.

edit: I also think A-high calls this river but does not bet this river.

I think the turn semi-bluff is the way to go.

On the river, I don't think I'll be ahead often enough when called to bet. I know, I know, it's party .5/1, but guh.

[cartoonsoldier]

I would also go for the turn bet.

River is a check-call.

[Tosh]

Bet the flop. Bet the river.

[bisonbison]

Bet the flop. Bet the river.

Hmmmm. I'm not really grokking betting the flop. Almost certainly behind, small pot, strong draw, don't I want callers?

[kgrad5]

your 2-1 to make your hand on the flop, if one person calls you're even money, if they both call you're making money, if they both fold you win the hand /images/graemlins/laugh.gif i dont see any reason to not bet this flop, for 1 sb on party .50/1 no one is going anywhere..

[cartoonsoldier]

One question: Are there enough callers PF to play this?

And it seems you found some very tight party table /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[bisonbison]

your 2-1 to make your hand on the flop, if one person calls your even money,

You're doing this wrong. Assuming I have only the flush outs, if 2 players call on the flop, I'm breaking even. If 3 call, I'm making money.

2:1, so I need 2 callers for every bet to match my odds of completing.

[bisonbison]

One question: Are there enough callers PF to play this?

I thought so. I mean, if I flop a strong draw I'll be ramming and jamming, no?

[chief444]

The river may be close. You would certainly think any pair would bet the turn but then as you said this is party .5/1. I think the unlikeliness of a raise is what makes the river bet the way to go. But I obviously agree that the turn bet is one I make often even against somewhat loose opponents. If called you have to think you likely have 15 outs plus can probably pick it up on the river with a follow up bluff if a blank falls. I get a little LAG at times. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[chief444]

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One question: Are there enough callers PF to play this?

I thought so. I mean, if I flop a strong draw I'll be ramming and jamming, no?


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Apparently not. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

I think the pf call is fine and good.

[cartoonsoldier]

Agreed that Party players would pay off your drawing hand with thier PPs or TPs.

Well just looked over SSHE, and it also tells you to call.

You did flop a decent draw, but you didn't Ram n Jam.

So, seriously against two opponents, lets say the PF raises has a small PP, would you not bet the flop?

[bisonbison]

So, seriously against two opponents, lets say the PF raises has a small PP, would you not bet the flop?

You mean if I'm the preflop raiser, do I bet the flop? Yes. But I'm a flop autobettor.

[cartoonsoldier]

No I meant you in this situation.

[bisonbison]

No I meant you in this situation.

Apparently not. Because I didn't. Because I wanted to check-raise.

[cartoonsoldier]

I would have thought about check-raising with more people in the hand, not with just 2 to act behind you.

Sorry for soo many posts, probably will learn something g00t from this.

[chief444]

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I would have thought about check-raising with more people in the hand, not with just 2 to act behind you.


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This all depends on the position of the other opponents and your position relative to the pf raiser.

[bisonbison]

I would have thought about check-raising with more people in the hand, not with just 2 to act behind you.

Clearly, if it had been limped to me, I would have bet. It's not 2 people behind me, it's a raiser and a coldcaller.

[Sarge85]

I can't decide if I'd bet the flop or not.

I'd definately bet the turn and river though.

and betting the turn seems like a much better option, since you didn't bet the flop.

Definately bet the river though....

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[Festus22]

Since you called PF (I'm neutral on that one but I probably would have folded getting only 5.25:1), I'd bet that flop just about everytime. You can't rely on Party 0.5/1 players to autobet after a PF raise. If I'm called, I'd fire again on 4th street especially after the board pairs. Great scare card if I'm against overcards and I'd say I'd take it down right there around 75% of the time if not more.

BTW - What are you doing playing 0.5/1 anyway?

[easypete]

To quote another poster on this board

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what is this poop. Bet the river.

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Other than that, at best you are neutral EV w/ a flop bet and possibly -EV. If MP2 bets on flop, and CO calls, you can boost the pot a little w/ a raise, but still neutral EV.

Bet on turn can buy pot probably better than 2:1. Nobody is happy with their hand.

[spamuell]

Hi bison,

A flop check-raise seems good to me, I think betting is also fine.

Once the flop checks around a turn bet is a good idea, you're unlikely to get raised, you may win the pot there and you'd call a bet anyway.

Given that you didn't bet the turn, I think you should bet the river as again a raise is unlikely, A-high will call but not bet and a pair will call if you bet and probably bet if you check so you gain a bet from A-high if you bet but not if you check. I think you will get called by a worse hand more often than a pair checks behind so bet.

[bisonbison]

BTW - What are you doing playing 0.5/1 anyway?

Sometimes, if I want to get some hands in and the 3/6 tables suck, I'll play some .5/1 on autopilot.