AA - Calling an All-in on the Flop

[skirtus]

I've played 100 $10+1 SnG's with a 40% ROI. Im now going to see what I need to improve. Ive started limping with AA in early rounds of SnG's. Im making alot more with AA since I started doing this. I wasnt sure what I should have done on this flop all-in from the SB. I didnt suspect trip Q's. I figured he would take me all-in pre-flop with this hand. I suspect AQs or trip 8 or 7s.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed)

SB (t785)
BB (t770)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP2 (t655)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t790)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls t15, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Button raises to t50</font>, SB calls t40, BB folds, UTG calls t35, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, Button calls t150, SB calls t150, UTG folds.

Flop: (t665) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets t585 (All-In)

[NotMitch]

I dont think I can fold AA on that flop for a potish sized bet. But just to be safe try to turn a set(and not with the A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif either).

[durron597]

When it gets back to you preflop, why not just pushin? 165 chips in the pot, (about 20% of your stack) with three people to go, and this is a 10+1, you will probably get at least one caller (because there are 3 people to act). I busted once with AA playing exactly the same way you did (except I was the pusher and got called by a flopped flush draw).

[skirtus]

I agree that the best play would have been just to go all-in with the re-raise. I didnt do this and now have to make a difficult decision.

[adanthar]

I autocall and expect to be shown AQ, KQ or Qxs 80% of the time.

Edit: The other 20% is 87o.

[patrick dicaprio]

i would definitely call here without a second thought and if i were shown trips thems the breaks. there are so many hands he would play this way that you beat. your biggest threat aside form trips is probably AdKd. if he had two pair here or trips i would be surprised. most players with trips will check here and not go all in as they force you out, and if he did go all in i think it was a bad play (compared to higher limit or better players who might do so to throw you off, i am assuming that he is a straightforward player)

Pat

[Jman28]

Unless you have an unusually strong read to tell you otherwise, I'd recommend a call every time this happens. I like the way you played the whole hand, and you ran into a big hand this once. You'll win in the long run here.

I love letting people hit top pair when I have rockets. Many Party players will call an all in with any top pair. In the long run, this is a very profitable play (which you've already noticed.)

[async]

That's a tough fold, and with the extra caller preflop inflating the pot, I think I'd usually call. Obviously, you were very strong preflop, however, and they have to be putting you on AK/KK/AA/JJ, probably in that order of likelihood. An AQ is going to figure they have 50% of the hands beat, and take a shot at the pot... especially with that other caller being in, who may have some dominated hand like KQ. If it's QQ you're up against -- well, they hit a monster.

But on another note, I sure agree limping -- especially in EP/MP -- with AA is more profitable in 10+1 games, given a lot of people will take you all in with top pair/decent kicker. You can get callers all day who have AK/AQ/AJ/KQ/KJ/KT/QJ and hit and will call all in. Hitting a set really sucks, of course, since that's the one you can't see coming. At least when the flop is 789 single color and someone is both-guns-blazing you can see where they're coming from.

[Jman28]

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An AQ is going to figure they have 50% of the hands beat, and take a shot at the pot... especially with that other caller being in, who may have some dominated hand like KQ.

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I think you are highly overestimating the average $10 Party player. I think you are overestimating the average $50 Party player. I might go further, but my point is...

I would expect most players to push with Qx, and maybe 1/4 of the players to push with a mid pair. I'd also expect any nut flush draw to push, as well as a bunch of players pushing on a pure bluff.

[skirtus]

I see that I do overestimate the level of play at Party $10+1. I did call the all-in and just got beat. It happens. Maybe going all-in on the flop was a better play. Most likely one or both of these maniacs would have called me. I was left with 10 chips but made a good comeback only to get knocked out in 5th place.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed)

SB (t785)
BB (t770)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP2 (t655)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t790)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls t15, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Button raises to t50</font>, SB calls t40, BB folds, UTG calls t35, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, Button calls t150, SB calls t150, UTG folds.

Flop: (t665) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets t585 (All-In)</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t600 (All-In)</font>, Button calls t590 (All-In).

Turn: (t2440) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font>

River: (t2440) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2440
<font color="green">Main Pot: t2420 (t2420), between SB, Hero and Button.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by Button (t2420).</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: t10 (t10), between Hero and Button.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by Button (t10).</font>
<font color="green">Pot 3: t10 (t10), returned to Hero.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
SB shows 3c Ac (one pair, queens).
Hero shows Ah As (two pair, aces and queens).
Button shows Kc Qc (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: Button wins t2430. Hero wins t10. </font>