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C-Dog
08-03-2004, 06:10 PM
Average is roughly 13000, and the SB/BB are both reasonable players, nothing real special. So anyway here is the hand, it started as a steal attempt, and then I thought I should take the shot.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t10283)
SB (t14432)
BB (t13170)
UTG (t14931)
UTG+1 (t7578)
MP1 (t10360)
MP2 (t5964)
MP3 (t310)
CO (t2045)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t2700</font>, SB calls t2200, BB calls t1700.

Flop: (t8100) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets t3300</font>, <font color="CC3333">BB raises to t10470 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t7583 (All-In), SB folds.

Turn: (t29453) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t29453) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t29453
<font color="green">Main Pot: t26566 (t26566), between Hero and BB.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by BB (t26566).</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: t2887 (t2887), returned to BB.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
BB shows Ts Qs (one pair, queens).
Hero shows Kc 6c (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: BB wins t29453. </font>

I checked a Calc and it appears I was a favorite, does everyone else bust here too? Everyone is in the money already.

C-Dog

cferejohn
08-03-2004, 07:16 PM
A push after a flop bet is a little scary, but with a pair plus a flush draw, you are a favorite over a top pair hand, which is what I'm putting him on. The only other reasonable thing I can put him on is a flopped set (maybe 2 pair, 5s and 6s?), but I'm thinking he may have just called with that. I think your play was fine.

Bogatog
08-04-2004, 07:02 AM
I'd feel a lot better about it if you were the one pushing.
As it stands though, I don't think its a bad play, but definately a gamble. You're a favorite, but I don't think its by much. Pretty much a coin-flip right?

Anyways, theres lot of chips out there for the winnin so its probably worth it.

fyodor
08-04-2004, 10:23 AM
I fold. Sure you're a favourite but only 51/49. I wait for something better.

I hate putting my entire stack on the line for a draw. Like Bogatog said I would more likely do it if I was the one pushing and forcing him to call.

doubleas
08-04-2004, 12:23 PM
You started the hand below average.

On the flop, the pot was bigger than your stack and the SB may come along too. If the SB folds, then there is a lot of dead money. I would think that I'm up against top pair and thus I'm a slight favorite. If you fold, you have 7200 left, which is almost half of the average stack. If you call and win, then you will end up with over 30K and over twice the average stack. I'd hate to let go of 35% of my chips when I believe that I'm the favorite.

I would call hoping that a 30K stack would allow me get a decent shot at winning.

ZootMurph
08-04-2004, 01:04 PM
Let's see... 3 kings, 2 sixes, and 9 clubs for outs. You have to call the all in flop bet.

However, I think with your stack size, and the fact that the blinds have you covered, you need to make a bigger bet to steal the blinds. I'd have moved all in preflop here on the steal. It's easy to call a 'normal' bet from the blind with QT against an open raise from the button. It would put real pressure to call the all in. And, as it is a steal attempt, that's what you want.