Suicidal?

[Wayfare]

I had labelled Villan in this post as "makes stupid calls" -- anyone like the push here? Sorry for the unconvertedness but my proxy server at work is refused by the site.

***** Hand History for Game 805955151 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Mon Aug 02 01:08:17 EDT 2004
Table Table 14085 (6 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: CO ( $21.60)
Seat 4: VILLAN( $63.65)
Seat 5: PokerJoker04 ( $44.75)

PokerJoker04 posts small blind (0.25)
BB posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PokerJoker04 [ Qs, Qh ]
CO calls (0.50)
VILLAN calls (0.50)
PokerJoker04 raises (2.75) to 3
EP folds.
CO calls (2.50)
VILLAN calls (2.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jc, 2h, 7s ]
PokerJoker04 bets (9)
CO folds.
VILLAN calls (9)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
PokerJoker04 bets (32.75)
PokerJoker04 is all-In.

[SpiderMnkE]

I like it... but what do I know?

[Wayfare]

Well if you like it, you must know sometin' /images/graemlins/smile.gif I thought I had the best hand here (I put him on AJ because of the smooth call), and thought that he might call off the rest with the worse hand. I did not see him act tricky with limp/calls of AA/KK, and I wanted it to look like AK making a play at the pot. I knew that if I bet the turn and got a caller, I might either be bluffed out on the river by a scare card or milked by a set. I resigned losing to a set on this hand, which is something I usually do on P25 and overpairs. I can't really lay them down fearing a set because the times I win really outweigh the times I lose.

[DrPublo]

Well, the turn is a brick so if you were ahead on the flop you're ahead now. I guess the argument is really between checking and calling and pushing outright because I really cna't see folding here, especially since your stack is only about the amount of the pot (ie money not deep) and you have him labelled as a dumb caller.

In general if you're going to call an all in you might as well push it in yourself because you gain some folding equity, so I say shove it in. Againt certain players that I know will bet if I check but fold if I bet, I'll check/call in the all in, but if you have reason to believe this guy is dumb enough to call then do it.

The Doc

PS I assume you post this hand cause you lost to bottom/middle set or something. Them's the breaks. On less than 100BB I can't see how you get away from this one, especially given your player note.

[Wayfare]

Publo, how did you do at the BPC?

Thanks for the insight btw.

[DrPublo]

Up $800+...I'm about to post an interesting hand from last night actually.

The Doc

[bunky9590]

Hey Dave,

Short stacks and a loose caller, screw it. All in. He may actually call with hands you beat and not just ones that beat you.

If he actually had a hand, reload and get him next time.
The line is okay though. You can make a case for milking him out a bit on the turn but pushing with not deep stacks is just fine.

Gregg

[edtost]

assuming your notes were right, it looks like you accomplished what you set out to do with that hand. how strong was your read? (as an academic exercise, mostly - i wouldnt dream of laying your hand down with those stacks/reads, but check -calling/raising allin may have been a better line.)

[Wayfare]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 max, 6 handed)

UTG ($59.15)
MP ($54.20)
CO ($21.60)
Button ($63.65)
Hero ($44.75)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, MP folds, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, BB folds, CO calls $2.50, Button calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9.50) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets $9</font>, CO folds, Button calls $9.

Turn: ($27.50) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets $32.75 (All-In)</font>, Button calls $32.75.

River: ($93) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $93

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Qs Qh (three of a kind, queens).
Button shows 7h 9c (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins $93. </font>

[bunky9590]

Nicely done Dave.

Keep em coming.

Gregg

[sthief09]

Puck Frinceton /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I have nothing good to offer to this thread. I'm a NL fish /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kirkrrr]

I'd definitely push on the turn. If he called you with a smaller pocket pair and made his set on the flop, I'd just resign myself to losing my money. However, you don't want to give him a chance to stay in the hand and hit his A or K on the river... or having either of those cards come and allow you to outguess yourself. FWIW, looks good to me.

Kirk R.

[SkippingGoat]

Good times at Party. Your "makes bad calls" note seems to have been on target.

I like the fact that all the Princeton players respond to each other's posts. It's kind of cute.

Scotty

[SpiderMnkE]

you cute little f#$%s