Patrick del Poker Grande
08-02-2004, 12:35 PM
edit: Sorry this ended up so long - you can cut to the end if you want the hand I'm asking about. I guess I just needed to talk this one out. It was a bit frustrating.
I'm visiting San Diego for a few weeks for work, so I went and played in two MTTs at Ocean's 11 Casino in Oceanside on Saturday and Sunday morning. These were my first two MTTs, so I think I did somewhat well and played pretty well overall at least in the first one. I just didn't pull my cards when I needed to. I made it to about 30th of 130 players on Saturday before my flopped set got sucked out on by a 27s flush. That pissed me off, because I was in good shape to make the money if I won that pot (I would've been table chip leader by a decent margin and players were starting to drop like flies), but it crippled me instead and I ended up busting out when the big blind came around to me and I ran up against an AK that I thought was stealing. I only had enough for a re-raise/steal PF anyway, so that's what I did with J4s.
Anyway, on to further aggravation and the hand that busted me out of Sunday's tournament and that I have questions about. A little background, first. The tourney was at 10:00am, but I got there at about 9:15. The only seat available in the cash games was at the 1/2, so I sat there to pass the time. The whole table was a bunch of marines there having a good time before they get deployed (allegedly there since 6:00 the night before). Not a single one of them understood even the blind structure. I was only in the game for about 6 hands because they were so slow to play. Anyway, they thought it'd be fun to check out the tournament and I was quite happy to see that three of them ended up at my table. I couldn't believe my luck when the rest of the table sat down and were all equally inept, except for one good player. They had no idea how the blinds worked, what the hell a re-buy was, anything. This was what I'm looking for and thought for sure I'd be back with a shot at the money this time.
The tournament was limit hold-em with one re-buy. This is where the aggravation started. My two best hands in the first hour were T9o and 34s. I'm not kidding. Meanwhile, the schmoes were all but handing their chips to the one good player and I have to watch them just throw them away, doing stuff like calling raises on the river with stupid crap like J4o and no pair - JACK FREAKING HIGH on a raise - no bluff, just call. This guy was getting some real good cards, but he was a good player too and he knew how to take advantage of these guys.
So now it's an hour into the tournament and I haven't played a hand outside the blinds. It's not that I haven't tried - I tried to be loose, but even a maniac wouldn't play the cards I was getting.
Limits are up to 200-400 now, I've rebought and have been blinded down to about T1200 now - good player has ~T13946793475690346930769367.
The good player limps from UTG, couple folds, and I raise in MP with KQo. I figured he'd recognize that I haven't played a hand yet and I wasn't just calling and he couldn't just push me around like the other schmoes. Everyone else folds and it's me and him heads-up.
Flop: JJx
He checks, I bet, he asks how much I have (T900) before he calls.
Turn: 2s - completes the rainbow.
He checks, I bet. I put him on probably something like 2nd pair or small pocket pair. He's been pushing the kiddies around the whole time and I thought he was probably doing the same to me. I figured to have as many as 6 outs against this (and the very slim chance that my K-high is good - that's been winning some of these pots), but recognize I'm drawing dead if he has a J. Since I'm pretty much all-in here anyway and the limits are doubling in a minute, I bet it , he raises. I'm pissed, but have about T500 left and decide to take my shot here. He of course calls my T100 raise and shows QJs. River doesn't matter, but came a rag and I'm done after an hour and only having actually played one hand.
I guess I'm just wondering where I get out of this one if at all? I had to play a hand - the limits were going to be T400-800 in a minute or two. I pretty much was taking a stand here hoping he didn't have a J and I could pull one of my overcards. By the time it became mostly obvious he had a J, I was down to T500. Even then, it wasn't by any means unthinkable that he was just trying to push me around like he had been to everyone for the past hour.
It was just so aggravating that I had such a dream table aside from the one player and I couldn't even get in on it because I couldn't find any cards to even play loosely. Then, it wasn't even busting out on some bad beat that did it to me - I got blinded down and ran into a better hand and a good player.
Any thoughts?
I'm visiting San Diego for a few weeks for work, so I went and played in two MTTs at Ocean's 11 Casino in Oceanside on Saturday and Sunday morning. These were my first two MTTs, so I think I did somewhat well and played pretty well overall at least in the first one. I just didn't pull my cards when I needed to. I made it to about 30th of 130 players on Saturday before my flopped set got sucked out on by a 27s flush. That pissed me off, because I was in good shape to make the money if I won that pot (I would've been table chip leader by a decent margin and players were starting to drop like flies), but it crippled me instead and I ended up busting out when the big blind came around to me and I ran up against an AK that I thought was stealing. I only had enough for a re-raise/steal PF anyway, so that's what I did with J4s.
Anyway, on to further aggravation and the hand that busted me out of Sunday's tournament and that I have questions about. A little background, first. The tourney was at 10:00am, but I got there at about 9:15. The only seat available in the cash games was at the 1/2, so I sat there to pass the time. The whole table was a bunch of marines there having a good time before they get deployed (allegedly there since 6:00 the night before). Not a single one of them understood even the blind structure. I was only in the game for about 6 hands because they were so slow to play. Anyway, they thought it'd be fun to check out the tournament and I was quite happy to see that three of them ended up at my table. I couldn't believe my luck when the rest of the table sat down and were all equally inept, except for one good player. They had no idea how the blinds worked, what the hell a re-buy was, anything. This was what I'm looking for and thought for sure I'd be back with a shot at the money this time.
The tournament was limit hold-em with one re-buy. This is where the aggravation started. My two best hands in the first hour were T9o and 34s. I'm not kidding. Meanwhile, the schmoes were all but handing their chips to the one good player and I have to watch them just throw them away, doing stuff like calling raises on the river with stupid crap like J4o and no pair - JACK FREAKING HIGH on a raise - no bluff, just call. This guy was getting some real good cards, but he was a good player too and he knew how to take advantage of these guys.
So now it's an hour into the tournament and I haven't played a hand outside the blinds. It's not that I haven't tried - I tried to be loose, but even a maniac wouldn't play the cards I was getting.
Limits are up to 200-400 now, I've rebought and have been blinded down to about T1200 now - good player has ~T13946793475690346930769367.
The good player limps from UTG, couple folds, and I raise in MP with KQo. I figured he'd recognize that I haven't played a hand yet and I wasn't just calling and he couldn't just push me around like the other schmoes. Everyone else folds and it's me and him heads-up.
Flop: JJx
He checks, I bet, he asks how much I have (T900) before he calls.
Turn: 2s - completes the rainbow.
He checks, I bet. I put him on probably something like 2nd pair or small pocket pair. He's been pushing the kiddies around the whole time and I thought he was probably doing the same to me. I figured to have as many as 6 outs against this (and the very slim chance that my K-high is good - that's been winning some of these pots), but recognize I'm drawing dead if he has a J. Since I'm pretty much all-in here anyway and the limits are doubling in a minute, I bet it , he raises. I'm pissed, but have about T500 left and decide to take my shot here. He of course calls my T100 raise and shows QJs. River doesn't matter, but came a rag and I'm done after an hour and only having actually played one hand.
I guess I'm just wondering where I get out of this one if at all? I had to play a hand - the limits were going to be T400-800 in a minute or two. I pretty much was taking a stand here hoping he didn't have a J and I could pull one of my overcards. By the time it became mostly obvious he had a J, I was down to T500. Even then, it wasn't by any means unthinkable that he was just trying to push me around like he had been to everyone for the past hour.
It was just so aggravating that I had such a dream table aside from the one player and I couldn't even get in on it because I couldn't find any cards to even play loosely. Then, it wasn't even busting out on some bad beat that did it to me - I got blinded down and ran into a better hand and a good player.
Any thoughts?