“2+2 NORTH AMERICA vs EUROPE CHALLENGE #2” TOURNAMENT ANNOUNCEMENT

[DrPhysic]

”2+2 NORTH AMERICA vs EUROPE CHALLENGE #1”
was held Saturday May 8 at 2PM EDT on Poker Stars. Open to all 2+2 people with invitations sent to 85 2+2 SNG regulars, we hoped to get 50 players. 24 players had a ball. If you missed it, you shouldn’t have! The North American Team beat The European Team by a score of 228 points to 164. Doug Brennan was the overall winner, Flopped Flush took second, Al Capone Junior was third, Tim Perkin and Stoneii shared the bubble.

It is now time for:

<font color="blue"> “2+2 NORTH AMERICA vs EUROPE CHALLENGE #2”</font>

EVENT: a private password multitable tournament on Poker Stars.

GAME: No Limit Hold’em.

TEAM SCORING: Mike Haven’s “Balanced Scoring System for 2 Unbalanced Teams” The nature of the scoring system is to reward both participation and placing. To help your team win, bring lots of your friends, and then place as high as possible in the tournament.

THIRD TEAM: Will not happen. Reason being that Mike’s spreadsheet for two teams is bad enough but doable. The one for three teams looks worse than an income tax form.

TEAM PRIZES: The winning team will win 2+2 bragging rights until we have the next one.

INDIVIDUAL PRIZES: Prizes are the usual cash prizes for multitable tournaments on Poker Stars

<font color="red">BONUS PRIZES: Todd Discenza, Marketing Manager for PokerStars.com has generously provided the following bonus prizes for this event:

A POKER STARS CAP FOR EACH PLAYER THAT REACHES THE FINAL TABLE,</font> see: http://www.pokerstars.com/fpp_store.html, “Black or Tan Hat”. You must have your mailing address registered with Poker Stars to receive this prize, and

<font color="red">A BONUS OF 100 TOURNAMENT DOLLARS FOR THE OVERALL WINNER,</font> if we have 50 players. These dollars can't be withdrawn - they are valid for buying into tournaments on PokerStars.

We wish to thank Todd Discenza and Poker Stars for helping us make this a first class event. Now, we need to get the word out, get registered, and get a whole lot of our friends to come play in the tournament to repay Poker Stars for their courtesy.

REGISTRATION: Send an e-mail to DrPhysic@satx.rr.com with the following information:
2+2 name: (your 2+2 name)
Poker Stars Name: (your Stars name)
Team: (NA, EU, or None)
I will send out the game password by return e-mail about a week before the game.
I will also keep the team rosters updated every couple of days on this thread.

Other Locations: If you are from places other than North America or Europe, you are invited to play. The teams are chosen because that is where most of our players are from. If not clearly one or the other you can pick your team and play with your buddies. If you wish you can play as an individual without belonging to a team.

Team Captains:
Codewarrior will captain the North American Team.
Tim Perkin will captain the European Team.
You can expect to hear from them in posts, pm’s or whatever to drum up some team support. I heard something about the Euro team planning a Goodyear Blimp flyover to RahRah the team during the event, and the NA team setting up fireworks to shoot at the blimp.

HYPE: Any and all is encouraged. Last Longer Bets which any players can make with their mates, nemeses, and enemies; Ransoms on more established players that get put out on certain hands, etc, that spiced up last game; Bounties on selected players of the other team. And anything else you can think up to spice up interest in the game

DATE, TIME, and BUYIN: The Day of week, date, entry, and other details have not been set. We want your input so we can draw the most possible 2+2 players.

SURVEY: Following this post is a survey. Fill it out. Please contribute your input as to how we can make this the best possible event for as many 2+2ers as possible. This time we want at least 50 to 100 players.

Date: During the time period between August 16 and August 23 pending outcome of the survey. This will allow proper time for signups and hype for the tournament.

ANNOUNCEMENT OF TIME AND DATE: Will be on Sunday August 8, so get your survey filled out today!

Games are for 2+2 posters. Not sponsored by Two Plus Two Publishing.

Thank you for your participation,

Brent/Doc
(for the leaders of the 2+2 SNG bunch.)

Without the assistance of the other leaders of the 2+2 SNG gang, the weekly games and the tournaments would not have happened.
Credit is due to:
Billy (Stoneii),
Boaz (PrayingMantis),
Brad (AleoMagus),
Greg (heyrocker),
Jim (Pitcher),
Justin (Byron Kincaid),
Matt (skaboomizzy),
Michael (Toro),
Simon (Simon Diamond),
Steve (codewarrior),
Tim (t_perkin), and
Vinny (VinnyTheFish).
Thanks guys.


SURVEY
I seem unable to make the survey questions display in order. Answer “What Day(s)…” first, then choice of time for your team and days, then $, &amp; team.

[Puffin]

Sounds fun as hell. If I am not working I will def be down.

[t_perkin]

So I suppose I better start off the the bounties. I will run the same bet that I did last time:

______________
If you are the player that knocks me out of the tournament then I will pay you $15.

If I knock you out of the tournament then you pay me $10.
______________


To accept this bet you MUST sign up to this bet by replying to this post any time before the start of the tournament.

Only open to players on the inferior team. In case you dumbass americans haven't worked it out, that means Y O U.

If you sign up and either I or you don't play then the bet between us is off.


Thats all folks.

Tim

p.s.: This is a cross post from 1TT forum. You can accept this bet by replying to either post.

[DrPhysic]

[b]<font color="red">WAGER ACCEPTED!!!!!!</font>[b]

Doc

[codewarrior]

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour'd rage.
(Henry V 3.1.40-7)

I’ll throw down my gauntlet as well – same deal as my esteemed European counterpart:

______________
If you are the player that knocks me out of the tournament then I will pay you $15.

If I knock you out of the tournament then you pay me $10.
______________


To accept this bet you MUST sign up by replying to this post any time before the start of the tournament.

This offer is open only to the doughnut-punchers on the European team /images/graemlins/cool.gif

If you sign up and either your or I don't play then the bet between us is off.

Best of luck,

Steve (codewarrior)

[Stoneii]

And in the Zoo we too challenge you:

This day will now be called the Euro feast of Crispin:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispin.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispin:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Tim of Perkin, Praying the Mantis, Kincaid and Jon,
Tosh and William, Debaser and Ruddiger,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in Euroland now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

stoneii

[codewarrior]

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[DrPhysic]

Message for William on Multi Table Tourn Forum, If he ever comes out of hiding.

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[DrPhysic]

The <font color="blue"> “2+2 NORTH AMERICA vs EUROPE CHALLENGE #2”</font>

needs an appropriate password. We are open to suggestions. Please post your best ideas for a tournament password.

The best we have at present (suggested by members not to be disclosed) are

EuroTrash

Old History

EuroDrawout

and my particular favorite:

<font color="red">MobyFish</font>

Any suggestions appreciated, of course.

Doc /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[codewarrior]

Middle Ageds

ok, weak...

Mash Bangers?

[DrPhysic]

The North America Team captain codewarrior announced his resignation today!!!

The new team captain's name is GOADWARRIOR!

Also he threatened to ban me from the team if I didn't give him authorship credit for <font color="red">MobyFish</font>!

Doc /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[codewarrior]

<font color="red"> So to all you Europeons, go away, or we shall taunt you a second time! </font> /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[DrPhysic]

Jump in!

The “2+2 NORTH AMERICA vs EUROPE CHALLENGE #2” will be a fun event and is for everyone. You don’t have to qualify, or have a certain number of posts. You certainly don’t have to be an expert. There is no limit on the number of players, all are invited.

Getting to play against top 2+2 tournament players at a reasonable buy-in is the best education money can buy! You PAY for your poker tuition. I know of nowhere that you can play against top players at such an affordable price.

We want more players. To those who have watched, read, thought about jumping in to play... The SNG games and the tournaments are FUN. They are also a way to learn poker from some of the BEST!

Getting a chance to play with William, (MobyDick), Praying Mantis (HelmetSky), heyrocker, Poker Jon, thomastem, wayabvpar, Kurn, or Byron is a privelidge! Because I learn something new every time they clean me out (again).

And once in a while, I manage to get bragging rights!

Jump in. You will be glad you did.

Doc /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[DrPhysic]

There have been a few questions on the forums and by pm about the side bets mentioned in the tournament post. Here is an explanation of the most common ones.

The bets mentioned in the tournament post are basically proposition bets. A proposition bet is one that is offered by one player, with whatever conditions attached he may specify, and accepted or not by one or more players.

A ”Last Longer” bet is usually a bet between friends (or enemies) that I will last longer, ie: place higher, in the tournament than you will. The bet and amount are agreed to before the tournament.

Another form of last longer bet is Tim Perkin’s, <font color="blue">“I'LL TAKE YOU ALL ON &lt;&lt;bounty&gt;&gt;” If you are the player that knocks me out of the tournament then I will pay you $15. If I knock you out of the tournament then you pay me $10.</font> Note that the proposition has terms: <font color="blue">Must accept the bet in advance, must be a member of the NA team, and must both actually play.</font> Not a bad bet for you as it pays 3 to 2, and certainly not a bad bet for Tim as he only has to pay it once. If he wins the tournament, or the person who puts him on the rail has not accepted the wager; then he doesn’t pay it at all. But he can collect on it several times.

A ”Bounty” is sometimes offered simply as an offer of payment placed by one player on someone who is a friend, or an (usually friendly) enemy for whomever takes that person out of the tournament. It is often in the form of “I’ll pay $10 to whomever takes out William!” as an example.

”Ransoms” are forms of proposition bets that are placed on one player by another with some specified set of conditions, but is different from a bounty in that it does not necessarily imply putting the person on the rail.

As an example, in the first NA vs EU tournament William, (who is a good friend of mine. er.... I guess), announced that I had stolen his blinds once too often. Naturally being from Denmark he is on the other team, and somewhat of a suspicious character to begin with....

So, he put out a "ransom" for anyone who could catch me in CO or Button, in an uncalled hand, and won the hand at showdown with me holding any hand not including a pair, an ace or a picture card. The ransom was $10 for anyone who could catch me stealing.

Proposition bets in general are any bet that you can get someone else to agree to the terms of. Think up your own. A few side bets for a tournament, especially among people who know each other, spice up the flavor of the game.

Doc /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[DrPhysic]

The SURVEY in the “2+2 NORTH AMERICA vs EUROPE CHALLENGE #2” post will end at NOON Sunday EDT Aug 8. The results will be reviewed by both team captains and myself.

The DATE, TIME, and BUYIN for the tournament will be announced early in the afternoon on SUNDAY.

GET YOUR VOTE IN NOW!

This is your opportunity to express your wishes about the tournament!

It looks like we can expect a successful tournament, and good feedback from you as to this and future tournaments. As of 5PM EDT on Friday, 94 people have voted.

ALSO, send your registration so I can send you the password. 46 people are already registered!


Doc /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[codewarrior]

So everyone that hasn't done so, please vote and PM or email Doc with your registration info.

And as for you Europeons:

Seriously, what part of the prophecy did you guys just not get?

Thus spake the prophet Blake in 1792:

The morning comes, the night decays, the watchmen leave their stations;
The grave is burst, the spices shed, the linen wrapped up;
The bones of death, the cov'ring clay, the sinews shrunk &amp; dry'd.
Reviving shake. inspiring move, breathing! awakening!
Spring like redeemed captives when their bonds &amp; bars are burst;
Let the slave grinding at the mill, run out into the field;
Let him look up into the heavens &amp; laugh in the bright air;
Let the inchained soul shut up in darkness and in sighing,
Whose face has never seen a smile in thirty weary years;
Rise and look out, his chains are loose, his dungeon doors are open
And let his wife and children return from the opressors scourge;
They look behind at every step &amp; believe it is a dream.
Singing. The Sun has left his blackness, &amp; has found a fresher morning
And the fair Moon rejoices in the clear &amp; cloudless night;
For Empire is no more, and now the Lion &amp; Wolf shall cease.

Doughnut punchers /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Toro]

Code, please tone it down a bit or I'm afraid none of them are going to show!!

[DrPhysic]

Final tallies being taken now. Event announcement later today after I talk to both team captains.

Doc

[DrPhysic]

The <font color="blue"> “2+2 NORTH AMERICA vs EUROPE CHALLENGE #2”</font> SURVEY ended at noon today.

<font color="blue">The tournament will be:

Saturday August 21 at 3:00 PM EDT (Stars Lobby Time).
The buyin will be $22</font>

Be sure to send your registration to DrPhysic@satx.rr.com with
2+2 Name
Stars Name
Team

Here are the results of the survey:

“2+2 NORTH AMERICA vs EUROPE CHALLENGE #2”

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
Survey Results: Total
Sunday Noon

TOTAL VOTES 109

What Day of the week would you play?
MONDAY 50
TUESDAY 54
WEDNESDAY 53
THURSDAY 52
FRIDAY 58
SATURDAY 76
SUNDAY 66

EURO TEAM ONLY:
Saturday or Sunday, Would you Prefer:
12AM EDT 25
2PM EDT 29
4PM EDT 25
6PM EDT 22
8PM EDT 24
10PM EDT 21

EURO TEAM ONLY:
Weekday, Would you Prefer:
12AM EDT 6
2PM EDT 11
4PM EDT 17
6PM EDT 10
8PM EDT 4
10PM EDT 1

NORTH AMERICA TEAM ONLY:
Saturday or Sunday, Would you Prefer:
12AM EDT 29
2PM EDT 40
4PM EDT 38
6PM EDT 28
8PM EDT 35
10PM EDT 21

NORTH AMERICA TEAM ONLY:
Weekday, Would you Prefer:
12AM EDT 9
2PM EDT 11
4PM EDT 16
6PM EDT 22
8PM EDT 48
10PM EDT 33

What entry fee game would you like?
$11 38
$22 72
$33 21

What team will you play for?
EUROPE 26
NORTH AMERICA 83
NONE 0
</pre><hr />

It is apparent that the majority prefer a Saturday tournament for this event, but that we could draw reasonable participation for a future event on Sunday afternoon or early Friday evening. The time preference for the weekend is evenly split between 2PM and 4PM so we settled on 3PM EDT. A Friday or other weekday game might deserve a little more discussion as the EU contingent understandably prefers 4 to 6 PM while the NA folks pretty strongly prefer 8pm. Maybe we could negotiate for a future event on a Friday night.

After discussing this with the team captains and in part out of deference to Poker Stars who have kindly offered to support this event, therefore the feeling that we need maximum participation, the event will be Saturday afternoon as shown above.

Apologies to those who cannot play on this date, we will try to have a future event on a different day of the week to accommodate all who want to play.

Doc

[DrPhysic]

The <font color="blue"> “2+2 NORTH AMERICA vs EUROPE CHALLENGE #2”</font>

has been posted at Poker Stars, Tournaments, Private

<font color="blue">Saturday August 21 at 3:00 PM.”</font> (15:00 Stars Lobby Clock Time)

If you have received the password, you can now register.

If you don’t have the password yet,

Be sure to send your team registration to DrPhysic@satx.rr.com with
2+2 Name
Stars Name
Team

I will send you back the game registration password.

Doc /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[DrPhysic]

If you have sent your registration for the tournament and not received the password, your ISP’s spam filter may have prevented you from receiving the e-mail.


Please send me a PM on 2+2.


Doc
DrPhysic

[DrPhysic]

completely unbashful bump.

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[DrPhysic]

C’mon guys and gals:

Poker Stars has been kind enough to provide bonus prizes for the tournament:

<font color="red"> A POKER STARS CAP FOR EACH PLAYER THAT REACHES THE FINAL TABLE,</font> and

<font color="red">A BONUS OF 100 TOURNAMENT DOLLARS FOR THE OVERALL WINNER,</font> if we have 50 players.

We wish to thank Todd Discenza and Poker Stars for helping us make this a first class event. Now, we need to get the word out, get registered, and get a whole lot of our friends to come play in the tournament to repay Poker Stars for their courtesy.

We have 72 people who have sent in asking for the password. That’s a great number! But only 22 have registered on Stars for the tournament. Don’t wait till the last minute. We need at least 50 to collect the Poker Stars winner’s bonus, and a lot more than that to repay them for their courtesy.

Jump in and get registered.

Doc

[DrPhysic]

Here are the teams as of 1PM Sunday Aug 15.

Lots of you still need to register on Poker Stars.

We have 36 new players out of 74 registered. Where are all of our SNG game regulars from the past several months? We want all of you to come play!

<font color="blue"> “2+2 NORTH AMERICA vs EUROPE CHALLENGE #2”</font>

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>European Team
2+2 Name Poker Stars Name Team Registered

Argyle TheGGMan EU
byronkincaid ByronKincaid EU Y
Filip Filip EU
genie genie1234 EU Y
Granite Camelking EU
IJW Tarls EU
ipp147 ipp147 EU
iturner187 iturner187 EU
Lars® Valhall EU
Mackthefork Mackthefork EU Y
Mike Haven Mike Haven EU
Poker Jon Poker Jon EU
Praying Mantis HelmetSky EU
Ruddiger Ruddiger EU Y
Sheriff Fatman Debaser EU
StableHand CPCharlie EU
t_perkin t_perkin 2+2 EU Y
Tosh Tosh27o EU Y
TylerD TheStrength EU

North American Team
2+2 Name Poker Stars Name Team Registered

0evg0 0evg0 NA
aBnart aBnart NA
Aceten1 Canada Bill NA
Al Capone Junior Al_Capone_Jr NA
alobar Alobar NA
aslowjoe trijoe NA
AtlBrvs4Life AlBrvs4Life NA
augie00 augie99 NA
C M Burns C M Burns NA
CCass CCass NA
Choyce Fmonti NA
codewarrior codewarrior NA Y
DerrekL drock76 NA
Diplomat The_D00d NA
DrPhysic DrPhysic NA Y
Eder Eder NA Y
Eihli Krogoth NA Y
eric5148 eric5148 NA
FloppedFlush FloppedFlush NA
Franco birding1 NA
Frenchie Catchupriver NA
Ghazban Ghazban NA Y
Graham Cracker Gcracker NA
housenuts ziggityzance NA
hyde dr. jekyl NA Y
jedi333 jedi NA
Joboo joboo002 NA Y
KilgoreTrout Wormtowne NA
Kurn, son of Mogh KURN NA
Kurt Cobain bd10 NA
mikey checks BustTheNuts NA
mikeyworm mikeyworm NA
missot missot NA Y
mrbaseball Silvur NA
mrgo prd mnky NA
napawino napawino NA Y
ohkanada ohkanada NA
PITTM PITTM NA
Roman Obender NA
Russian Ace Russian Ace NA Y
SenorBeef SenorBeef NA
Smoothtoquer Smoothtoquer NA
SUfan5 SUfan5 NA Y
TaxGoddess TaxGoddess NA Y
Toro Toro85 NA
tubbyspencer ZeppyZ NA
UsedToBeARock Arty Intel NA Y
VinnyTheFishPoker VinnyTheFish NA
woodguy woodguy55 NA Y
z32fanatic Chipferg NA
Zaebos Zaebos363 NA Y
Zoe's Echo Rosie Girl NA

Not on a team

ilya sleepyhollow None Y

</pre><hr />

Games are for 2+2 posters. Not sponsored by Two Plus Two Publishing.

Doc

[DrPhysic]

For those that are interested, here is how the team scoring is calculated:

Scoring system for 2+2 North America vs Europe Challenge #2
(adapted from the weighted two team scoring system by Mike Haven. Thanks Mike.)

This scoring system balances points for placement in the tournament and number of players in a 2 team tournament where the teams have different numbers of players. Bringing lots of friends to the tournament is rewarded, but placing well is rewarded more.

Team points calculation:
NA = pyd/(yd+xe) North American Weighted Final Score
EU = pxe/(yd+xe) European Weighted Final Score

where:
NA = weighted final score of team North America
EU = weighted final score of team Europe
p = total available points
x = number of players in team NA
y = number of players in team EU
d = actual cumulative score of team NA
e = actual cumulative score of team EU
t = total number of players

CHECKS:
NA+EU= p
d + e= p
t = x + y

PLACE POINTS (for a game with t players)
1st = t points
2nd = t-1 points
3rd = t-2 points
…
last = 1 point

FINAL TABLE BONUS POINTS:
1st 20
2nd 16
3rd 14
4th 12
5th 10
6th 8
7th 6
8th 4
9th 2

TOTAL INDIVIDUAL POINTS (if there are 50 players),
1st = 50 + 20 = 70pts
2nd = 49 + 16 = 65pts
50th = 1pt

Codewarrior and Tim will check my spreadsheet before final Team Points are announced.

Doc

[DrPhysic]

In response to a question posed on Multi Tourn Forum:

I don't know (if fossilman would join us), but certainly the top players from 2+2 are invited. The ones I can think of just off the top of my hat that we would like to see play would include...

Davidross
Eastbay
eMarkM
felicialee
Greg(Fossilman)
Jason Strasser(Strassa2)
LaBrujita
Lori
M.B.E.
MG in NJ
Nottom
SossMan
ZeeJustin

And any others that have been around long enough to have Pooh-Bah, Carpal \'Tunnel, or old hand behind thier names, as well as all the ones that have played in the 2+2 SNG games since January.

This tournament is open to all 2+2 posters including the new ones ID'ed only as "stranger", but we certainly would like to have the experienced players join us.

Doc

[DrPhysic]

OK Folks,

This is my last chance to get you interested in tomorrow’s tournament. I’ve tried PM’s, e-mails, etc probably till I have made myself a pest.

I got Todd Discenza of Poker Stars to put us up some great prizes (Thanks Todd).

I have completely run out of cute posts…

Everybody is invited from newbies to the Pooh Bahs listed in my last post.

Tournament starts at 3PM EDT tomorrow. I will send passwords up to the last minute if you e-mail me at DrPhysic@satx.rr.com.

We have 87 people who have asked for the password, and 35 registered on Poker Stars. More by tomorrow. It should be a super event. All the regulars and 42 people that are new to our 2+2 SNG group will be there.

Get your side bets placed. The game is on!

Doc

[DrPhysic]

Tournament starts at 3PM EDT.

I will send passwords up to the last minute if you e-mail me at DrPhysic@satx.rr.com.

Please send
2+2 Name
Stars Name
Team

Good Luck!

Doc

[codewarrior]

Bump!

45 minutes everyone. Email doc per the above message, if you haven't registered yet with him to get the password.

If you haven't signed up on Pokerstars yet - go to the tourney tab, hit the private tab, then scroll down until you see 2+2 NORTH AMERICA VS. EUROPE CHALLENGE #2, and hit register!

Good luck to all who have joined us, and let the best continent win!

[La Brujita]

Tosh or William if either accept you can have a $10 last longer bet with me. I would make it for more but that is all I can donate.

[Tosh]

Ok you are on!

[Puffin]

Haha I am already out. Damn ace king with pair of aces out to a set of 7's. Have fun and GO AMERICA