Toro
08-01-2004, 12:08 PM
I've now passed the 6 months point of playing no limit holdem tournament poker on the Internet and 2 Axioms have become apparent. Bear in mind that these axioms apply only to, imo, a majority of on-line player and certainly not all.
Axiom #1: Preflop and often times beyond, players will not fold any pair, even to a substantial raise.
Axiom #2: Same as axiom #1 but plug in AK in lieu of any pair.
The following is a hand I played yesterday in a Pokerstars multi tourney. I'm not proud of the way I played the hand but it did catapult me into contention and I ended up with a profitable 4th place finish.
Please feel free to comment on who you all think was the bigger moron, me or my opponent. I vote for my opponent pre-flop, me post flop and overall, close to a toss up but probably me.
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PokerStars Game #581958348: Tournament #2157558, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2004/07/31 - 12:06:37 (ET)
Table '2157558 15' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ME argent (6400 in chips)
Seat 2: EZE_Amante (10380 in chips)
Seat 3: chaser100 (7265 in chips)
Seat 4: Toro85 (4925 in chips)
Seat 5: tobats (4300 in chips)
Seat 6: Shannow (6310 in chips)
Seat 7: big dawg 04 (11460 in chips)
Seat 8: gullahboy (5000 in chips)
Seat 9: shooter50014 (2700 in chips)
Shannow: posts small blind 75
big dawg 04: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Toro85 [Kc Ad]
big dawg 04 said, "amante, where is napoleon"
gullahboy: calls 150
shooter50014 has timed out
shooter50014: folds
shooter50014 is sitting out
ME argent: folds
EZE_Amante: folds
shooter50014 has returned
chaser100: raises 600 to 750
Toro85: raises 1350 to 2100
tobats has timed out
tobats: folds
tobats is sitting out
Shannow: folds
big dawg 04: folds
gullahboy: folds
chaser100: calls 1350
*** FLOP *** [8h 5d 9c]
chaser100: bets 5165 and is all-in
Toro85: calls 2825 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8h 5d 9c] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [8h 5d 9c Kd] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
chaser100: shows [3c 3s] (two pair, Eights and Threes)
Toro85: shows [Kc Ad] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
Toro85 collected 10225 from pot
P.S. Prior to submitting this I decided to run the odds through the poker calculator and I was a 2.6 to 1 underdog post flop and the pot was offering me precisely 2.6 to 1.
However, at the time, I did not try to run any numbers through my head, just knew that the pot was big and if I didn't hit, would be eliminated.
So I guess this leads to another question for me. If you are getting exactly pot odds for a call, but it means elinination if it doesn't hit, should you still do it.
Axiom #1: Preflop and often times beyond, players will not fold any pair, even to a substantial raise.
Axiom #2: Same as axiom #1 but plug in AK in lieu of any pair.
The following is a hand I played yesterday in a Pokerstars multi tourney. I'm not proud of the way I played the hand but it did catapult me into contention and I ended up with a profitable 4th place finish.
Please feel free to comment on who you all think was the bigger moron, me or my opponent. I vote for my opponent pre-flop, me post flop and overall, close to a toss up but probably me.
*********** # 2 **************
PokerStars Game #581958348: Tournament #2157558, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2004/07/31 - 12:06:37 (ET)
Table '2157558 15' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ME argent (6400 in chips)
Seat 2: EZE_Amante (10380 in chips)
Seat 3: chaser100 (7265 in chips)
Seat 4: Toro85 (4925 in chips)
Seat 5: tobats (4300 in chips)
Seat 6: Shannow (6310 in chips)
Seat 7: big dawg 04 (11460 in chips)
Seat 8: gullahboy (5000 in chips)
Seat 9: shooter50014 (2700 in chips)
Shannow: posts small blind 75
big dawg 04: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Toro85 [Kc Ad]
big dawg 04 said, "amante, where is napoleon"
gullahboy: calls 150
shooter50014 has timed out
shooter50014: folds
shooter50014 is sitting out
ME argent: folds
EZE_Amante: folds
shooter50014 has returned
chaser100: raises 600 to 750
Toro85: raises 1350 to 2100
tobats has timed out
tobats: folds
tobats is sitting out
Shannow: folds
big dawg 04: folds
gullahboy: folds
chaser100: calls 1350
*** FLOP *** [8h 5d 9c]
chaser100: bets 5165 and is all-in
Toro85: calls 2825 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8h 5d 9c] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [8h 5d 9c Kd] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
chaser100: shows [3c 3s] (two pair, Eights and Threes)
Toro85: shows [Kc Ad] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
Toro85 collected 10225 from pot
P.S. Prior to submitting this I decided to run the odds through the poker calculator and I was a 2.6 to 1 underdog post flop and the pot was offering me precisely 2.6 to 1.
However, at the time, I did not try to run any numbers through my head, just knew that the pot was big and if I didn't hit, would be eliminated.
So I guess this leads to another question for me. If you are getting exactly pot odds for a call, but it means elinination if it doesn't hit, should you still do it.