Drawing hand out of position against the big stack

[Xargque]

I'm just starting to play NL, so any advice is greatly appreciated.

1/2 NLHE at Viejas Casino

Villian is TAG who has built a huge stack. He plays about 15 to 20% of hands and ALWAYS comes in for a minimum raise.

Unknow is tight. Has played 2 orbits, seen 3 flops and no turns.

Hero is BB.

[stack sizes are approximate]

SB ($80)
Hero ($195)
UTG ($215)
UTG+1 ($140)
Villian ($500)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($35)
Unknown ($90)
CO ($85)
Button ($75)

Preflop: Hero has 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 limps, Villian makes it $4, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Unknown calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop K /images/graemlins/spade.gif6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif4 /images/graemlins/club.gif
SB checks, Hero bets $10, UTG+1 folds, Villian calls, MP2 folds, Unknown raises to $20, 2 folds, Hero re-raises to $35 (terrible, right?), Villian calls, Unknown re-raises to $60, Hero calls (again terrible?), Villian goes all-in, Unknown calls, Hero ...???

Questions:

1) Should I have even called Preflop?

2) Was it wrong to bet out on the flop, or did that possibly buy me a backdoor diamond draw?

3) How terrible were the two calls of the raises? Should I have realized that at least one has a set?

4) By the time we get to this point, I'm convinced they BOTH must have sets. Probably K's and 6's. Given that and given what is in the pot now have I dug myself into a hole where I have to call, or should I just cut my losses?

Any other comments appreciated.

[Results to follow]

[stinkypete]

at this point the pot's laying you way too much not to call.

fold it preflop unless you know for a fact you can make them pay if you flop a monster.

the re-raise was weak.

[unagi]

i would have to say that your play on every street (including preflop) isn't so hot. the only thing you can catch with this hand and be comfortable with is a straight, maybe 2 pair/etc.. no pairs, and the flush has a lot of reverse implied odds that come with it. now, when the flop hits - if i've calculated right, the pot should be approximately $28 on the flop. considering that you've already called, $10 might be worth trying to see your straight with the implied odds that come with it. however, the reraise to $20 quickly cuts your odds.. and with this weak draw (if it was open-ended straight+flush, it would be different), calling seems a mistake.. reraising even bigger. by the time they've both gone all-in however, the it seems like you must call (since you'll hit the straight about 1/3 of the time). the problem isn't so much after they've moved all in, it's more along the lines of how you got in that situation in the first place. one player has already shown strength - you shouldn't be opening up the door for more raises when you don't even have a hand yet (especially with this one). i only play the 25 and 50 tables at PP, so my knowledge is far from complete - maybe i'm missing something here, but i would venture to say that you played pretty poorly at every opportunity on this one.

[warlockjd]

1. Fine, preflop standard.

2. 3. Don't like flop 3 bet, opening yourself up to what happened. Betting out is okay, but why pump (3 bet) your draw that much against 2 tight players who most likely already have made hands?

3. Call 4 bet is mandatory bcz VILLAIN can still pay you off.

4. Must fold to VILLAIN all in.

Villain has 66 and Unknown has AK????????

[Xargque]

Hero folds, Unknown calls.

Villain flips KK for three of a kind, kings. Unknown flips 66 for three of a kind, sixes.

Turn: 2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

River 8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Villain wins pot. Hero would've made flush (and would've made straight). Hero goes on tilt.