What do you do when...

[The Armchair]

the dealer misreads the showdown and gives "your" pot to the second-best hand? What if the chips have already made their way into the other guy's pot?

[papawawa]

you better call the pit boss over IMMEDIATELY

[The Armchair]

But what's he going to do?

[MtDon]

The policy may depend on the casino.

1. If you haven't shown your cards and they have been mucked, you're out of luck.

2. If you've shown your hand and it hasn't been mucked, then call the dealer's attention to your hand. You should get the pot. The floorman may need to get involved if the chips are mixed up in the other player's stacks, to determine how much was in the pot. Some places where I've played, and when the pot is small, the house will let the 2nd best hand keep the chips, and give the best hand chips from the house.

3. If you've shown your hand and it has been mucked by the dealer. Then let the dealer know right away, tell the dealer what your cards were, and if you know where they are in the muck pile, tell him. In the card rooms I play in, if you can find your cards, you will get the pot. Definitely get the floor person involved if the dealer can't handle it him or herself.

4. If you've shown your hand and then mucked it yourself when the dealer gave the pot to the other player. This is probably less good for you, but try the same procedure as for when the dealer mucked them.

[The Ocho]

I punch the dealer in the face, then climb over the table and annex all of the other guy's chips into my own stack. If that doesn't work I then call the floor, and hope the other players at the table saw the action/hands involved in the showdown.

In the end, hopefully I've learned my lesson: never let the dealer touch my winning hand until they've shipped me the pot.

[baggins]

[ QUOTE ]
I punch the dealer in the face, then climb over the table and annex all of the other guy's chips into my own stack. If that doesn't work I then call the floor, and hope the other players at the table saw the action/hands involved in the showdown.

In the end, hopefully I've learned my lesson: never let the dealer touch my winning hand until they've shipped me the pot.

[/ QUOTE ]

He's right, minus the violence.

You Must Remember:
ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND. do not let it be mucked until you are sure you are beat and satisfied that your hand doesn't entitle you to any more chips than it already has.

Don't flip your cards over near the dealer. flip them over in front of you. preferably, keep at least one of your hands or your finger on your cards until the pot is shipped to you or you are satisfied that you are mucking a loser.

[Cazz]

I like to use the "trade the cards for the pot" method.
I turn my hand over and keep a finger on them. As the pot is pushed to me I pick up the cards and hand them to the dealer over the pot.

The fact that you are protecting your hand is a good indication to the dealer that you think you have the best hand. If you are wrong, he *should* point out the better hand and wait for you to turn in your hand.

[The Armchair]

I think everyone is misunderstanding my question. (Probably because I asked a 10 word question!) There's no mucking involved.

Me) Flip over hand. Shows a flush.
Opponents) Flip over hand. Shows a set.
Dealer) Reads my hand, sees two pair.
Dealer) Reads other hand, sees trips.
Dealer) Pushes chips to opponent, mixing in with his stack.
Me) ???

I've protected my cards, they're still face up in front of me. Heck, I'm probably screaming at the dealer at this point. I'd call over the floorperson, but what should I have them do? Comp me 10 BB? Figure out the pot-size retroactively and award it to me?

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

In your case, the minute the dealer starts pushing the pot towards the other player - YELL "Hey, I had a flush!!" and reach out to physically stop him from pushing your chips to someone else.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

simple. you NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER physically release your hand until you have:

1. been pushed the pot
2. been absolutely convinced that you are not the rightful winner of the pot

this is more important than what beats what.

If you don't protect your hand, YOU are the moron.

al

[Mano]

Call for the floor immediately. They should reconstruct the action for the entire hand and make sure you are given the proper amount of chips from your opponents stack.

[Warik]

[ QUOTE ]
I'd call over the floorperson, but what should I have them do? Comp me 10 BB?

[/ QUOTE ]

Absolutely. DO NOT RELEASE YOUR CARDS until you've been awarded the pot or the floorperson tells you sorry you're out of luck (in which case you ask for HIS superior).

If for some reason this pot still goes to your opponent, I recommend you figure out the total amount in the pot and just not tip this dealer until it's been made up.

If this casino's dealers pool tips, then just don't tip anybody.

Be sure to complain to the management, too. If you're lucky you can get the dealer fired. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

(Yes - I'm very vindictive)

[CORed]

As a preventive measure, it can also help to announce your hand when you show your cards. If you have a flush, say "Flush".

[jedi]

[ QUOTE ]
I think everyone is misunderstanding my question. (Probably because I asked a 10 word question!) There's no mucking involved.

Me) Flip over hand. Shows a flush.
Opponents) Flip over hand. Shows a set.
Dealer) Reads my hand, sees two pair.


[/ QUOTE ]
If the dealer verbally declared the 2-pair, STOP the action right there and declare your flush. If he goes to muck your cards without a verbal declaration, STOP the action right there and declare your flush. Protecting your hand means more than just protecting your cards.

[MrDannimal]

The shouting from me starts the second the dealer starts pushing the stack the wrong way.

[trillig]

What AL said....

And it happens often enough in the lower end casinos, that every1 should to make it a habit....
In Vegas, not enough good dealers...... the lower class rooms wind up schooling new dealers all the time, only to lose the good ones quickly to better paying upscales ones....

I had some close calls recently, basically the dealers usually ONLY keep the winning hand face up, I think they are marking it for the cameras... watch carefully next time you play, the rule of that casino will be obvious once you see the same actions from a few dealers...

I'm making it a habit of calling my hand out when I flip over my cards, and reading the board for the dealer, it's also an attempt to speed action along.... and sometimes just to keep my head STILL in the game if I am getting a little tired, but the game is too good to leave, yet....

The worst dealers I have had have been at The Horseshoe and Sahara, all these newly opened card rooms must be a horror show of errors.... Golden Nugget is prime example.... Sahara doesn't have that excuse....

How bad at Sahara? One lady came from another table, and immediately complained to US about her lousy tips at the other table... [El stupido] Sahara is seedy and keeping dealers at work too long is not good either, imagine dealing for 10 hours.... Pretty much everytime I have played there dealers have been kept over... usually dealing in their 7pm tournaments too and mucking that up,
which AL here got the shaft the other night when they didn't balance the final 3 tables properly and he got unfairly screwed on the blinds for 20 mins... had 7, 7, and 11! players at the 3 tables....

The Sahara is good place to stay though for cheap rooms, it gets my vote for next hotel that should be torn down and replaced.....

-Bri

[Loci]

[ QUOTE ]
I punch the dealer in the face, then climb over the table and annex all of the other guy's chips into my own stack. If that doesn't work I then call the floor, and hope the other players at the table saw the action/hands involved in the showdown.


[/ QUOTE ]

This is usually directly followed by an invasion of France whose people will inevitibly crumble at the mere declaration of another entity's supremacy over their lands. Machiavelli and Tupac taught us to be swift and ruthless. Go with this. Politely redeclare your hand(be polite at first in case YOU misread it...) and then on the second time cut off the dealers finger, kill the man directly to the left of you (for no reason other than to show you mean business), demand that their wives pay you homage, and rake in the pot.

Well, that first part about double checking that you aren't wrong is good advice at least. Also, I think I need to lay off the double cappucino's before bed.
Ez

[jmark]

At alot of the casinos I play at the dealer takes your hand and puts it a little up and to the side of the board, I guess so everyone can see it? They then take someone elses hand and put it close and if it's not as good of a hand, they muck it. Then they take the next guy's hand and so on.

When it's their policy to take the hand from you, what can you do then? (besides jumping across the table and grabbing the dealer's arm?)