upcoming NL book by Bob Ciaffone

[avatar77]

I recently exchanged a couple of emails with Bob Ciaffone and he told me that he is releasing "No Limit Holdem Poker". It is due December '04.
Maybe, finally, this can be the standard reference book for NL Hold'em. I hope this book will cover both cash games and tournaments.

[nicky g]

Rock. C'mon 2+2, take him on.

[Nick_Foxx]

i hope he has a section on how to bluff off all your chips to johnny chan at the final table of the wsop

mike

[BugsBunny]

It wasn't a bluff (he had bottom pair with an overcard). That section is a quiz question in "Pot-Limit and No-Limit Poker".

[La Brujita]

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i hope he has a section on how to bluff off all your chips to johnny chan at the final table of the wsop

mike

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I would be happy if there were a section on how to make the final three at the WSOP final table.

[avatar77]

why are you ridiculing the guy?
He made it to the final table and he has written 3 of the top 10 best pokers ever written. No one besides Malmuth and Sklansky can make that claim.

[Nick_Foxx]

sorry just making a joke - no need to take me so seriously... i respect ciaffone immensely, i just dont believe his play against chan was correct

mike

[BugsBunny]

He agrees with you. He says the flop bet was a mistake.

[Joshua]

Amazon says Reuben is publishing a book called "How Good Is Your Pot-Limit Hold'Em?". I thought Ciaffone & Reuben was a team /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[Tosh]

I think he has said that himself, and regrets it.

[Moyer]

It's already published.

[Joshua]

Have you read it? What did you think of it?

[avatar77]

from what I heard, it is almost entirely hand examples.

I've heard that Stewart Reuben is an unbelievable no-limit player and really uses agression to his advantage but it does not mean that players will do well if they try to emulate him. Therefore, you need to be careful when taking his advice.

[Moyer]

No, I haven't read it. From what others here have said though, it's pretty good. I haven't seen a negative review yet. It's a quiz book though. It's written for someone that already knows how to play pot limit fairly well.

[Boylermaker]

It is a quiz book. I am partway through reading it. So far, I've liked it a lot. While one might not necessarily agree with his preferred play on some of the hands, he provides rationale for why he thinks a certain play may be best, and also provides other options for how the hand can be played out.

I think both inexperienced and experienced players can get something out of the book.

[JohnG]

I'm sure Ciaffone will include a chapter on the differences between cash and tournies. He has explained it often enough in his articles though. There isn't much difference once the stacks and blind ratios have been stated, except in specialised tourney situations usually near the big money.

I can't wait for this book. I've been wanting a no limit book in the style of his 'middle limit holdem' book for ages. Some good books for bigbet seem to be coming out over the next 12 months.

[avatar77]

I just received an email from Bob and he said that he will be covering both cash games and tournies.

I am looking forward to it - this book can't come out soon enough due to the lack of quality books on cash games

[Desdia72]

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I recently exchanged a couple of emails with Bob Ciaffone and he told me that he is releasing "No Limit Holdem Poker". It is due December '04.
Maybe, finally, this can be the standard reference book for NL Hold'em. I hope this book will cover both cash games and tournaments.

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i really enjoyed his book Middle Limit Holdem Poker. it's
THE best poker book i've read so far. folks gave Theory Of Poker and Zen Of Poker such great reviews that i had to purchase them. i was very disappointed. if Bob writes his NL
book the same way he wrote MLHP, consider it copped.

[astroglide]

read SSH to undo the brainwashing from the ciaffone/brier midlimit book. the thought processes are awesome, but the type of games they describe in the book more or less do not exist. today's games are loose.

[TomCollins]

There isn't much difference between cash games and tourneys until the very end?

Last time I checked, if I was 55% sure I had the best hand in a cash game, it was smart to call, and if it was a tourney, its not unreasonable to wait until you are more sure.

[Mano]

I believe that the poster was referring to this (http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/?a_id=13322) article by Ciaffone.

[Chazbot2000]

What a great articulation of why I enjoy cash no limit so much more than tourney no limit.

[Desdia72]

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read SSH to undo the brainwashing from the ciaffone/brier midlimit book. the thought processes are awesome, but the type of games they describe in the book more or less do not exist. today's games are loose.

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yeah, but i mostly play NL SNGs and don't really care for Limit Holdem much. how much good would this book do?

[astroglide]

that's a pretty bizarre question considering your enthusiasm for the midlimit book. obviously SSH is limit-only.

[Desdia72]

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that's a pretty bizarre question considering your enthusiasm for the midlimit book. obviously SSH is limit-only.

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sure it SEEMS pretty bizarre but actually it's not, considering the fact that it's THE BEST poker book so far that i read that deals extensively with specific hands and how they could be handled in certain situations. trust me, i would rather have purchased a NL book instead. most of the books i've seen that deal with NL play like McEvoy/Cloutier books and Doyle's Super System
don't compare. i think it's foul that i had to buy a LIMIT
holdem book in order to help me out with NL SNG play.

[Desdia72]

in Caifonne's MLHP and try to translate them into NL SNG hands. the fact that alot of the examples deal with how many opponents are in on the hand, the different street strategies, how to handle overcards on the flop, or what to do with drawing hands has helped my game alot. of course, as stated before, i would've like more to gather this info from a NL structured book rather than a Limit one. from what i've read, even TPFAP does'nt even top MLHP either. i would sure think that i could gain more from a tourney-based
book since i play SNGs but i have'nt. i'm just waiting for that definative book on NL Holdem play to come out.

[Stew]

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in Caifonne's MLHP and try to translate them into NL SNG hands. the fact that alot of the examples deal with how many opponents are in on the hand, the different street strategies, how to handle overcards on the flop, or what to do with drawing hands has helped my game alot. of course, as stated before, i would've like more to gather this info from a NL structured book rather than a Limit one. from what i've read, even TPFAP does'nt even top MLHP either. i would sure think that i could gain more from a tourney-based
book since i play SNGs but i have'nt. i'm just waiting for that definative book on NL Holdem play to come out.

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There is no definitive book on NL play and I don't think there ever will be b/c one of the main factors that goes into NL play is playing your opponent rather than the cards.

With that said, there is a pretty good course of NL material on the market. Add to this list Super/System 2 when it comes out and the 2 part 2+2 Harrington book and you'll be set, I believe.

McEvoy/Daughtery New Player Series NO Limit Hold Em
TPFAP
Championship Satellite Strategy
Super/System NL section
NL/POT LIMIT Poker by Ciaffone/Reuben

[Desdia72]

and i did'nt gain any more knowledge from it than i already have. frankly, i'm leery of purchasing Doyle's SS2 because he's going to be writing the NL section again. i think another great player like Greenstein, Daniel N., or Lederer
should have gotten this section. IMO, a definative NL book "CAN" be written despite the contrary. and as far as Dan Harrington's book goes, we'll just have to see. i think more people are hyped to get his book based on his results in the WSOP Main Event the last two years rather than the consistency in NL events from other players.

[theBruiser500]

Dan Harrington is writintg a book? When is it due out? When is Reuben's book due out?

[DrPhysic]

Stew,

You mentioned one book that i don't know. Could you id author, age, and availability of "Championship Satellite Strategy"?

Tks,

Doc

[SheridanCat]

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i really enjoyed his book Middle Limit Holdem Poker. it's
THE best poker book i've read so far. folks gave Theory Of Poker and Zen Of Poker such great reviews that i had to purchase them. i was very disappointed.

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You should give Theory of Poker another chance. It's the second best poker book available after Small Stakes Hold'em. TOP benefits from rereading as you gain experience.

Zen was also good, I thought. It helped me.

Regards,

T

[Stew]

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Stew,

You mentioned one book that i don't know. Could you id author, age, and availability of "Championship Satellite Strategy"?

Tks,

Doc

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Sure can, Championship Satellite Strategy by Tom McEvoy and Brad Daugherty, published earlier this year.

Here's the amazon link to it, should be fairly readily available:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1884466397/qid=1091142008/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/002-3956240-0242404?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

[Desdia72]

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i really enjoyed his book Middle Limit Holdem Poker. it's
THE best poker book i've read so far. folks gave Theory Of Poker and Zen Of Poker such great reviews that i had to purchase them. i was very disappointed.

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You should give Theory of Poker another chance. It's the second best poker book available after Small Stakes Hold'em. TOP benefits from rereading as you gain experience.

Zen was also good, I thought. It helped me.

Regards,

T

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i keep reading them because i paid good money for them. gotta get my money's worth somehow. i'm thinking about copping Psychology of Poker. hopefully it's better.

[lostinthought]

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i keep reading them because i paid good money for them. gotta get my money's worth somehow. i'm thinking about copping Psychology of Poker. hopefully it's better.

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Most books cost the price of about one big bet at the limits you hope to or should be eventually playing.

It's pretty easy to justify their purchase.

[DrPhysic]

I had on my book list:

No-Limit Texas Hold'em : The New Player's Guide to Winning Poker's Biggest Game (The New Players Series) -- by Tom McEvoy, Brad Daugherty, and

Championship Tournament Poker (Championship Series) -- by Tom McEvoy

Championship No Limit & Pot Limit Hold 'Em (Championship Series)by Tom McEvoy, T.J. Cloutier

But I didn't know about Championship Satellite Strategy.

Do you recommend any or all??? In any particular order for someone whose primary interest is NLHE tournament?

I already have TPFAP, Suzuki's book, SS, and Ciaffone PL&NL, and am very close to buying a couple of Mcevoy's books, so the question is not theoretical. Your input appreciated.

Doc