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Sparks
07-26-2004, 12:55 AM
This was my Sunday evening card playing experience at Hawaiian Gardens.

1. Sit down at a short handed 40-80 game around 9 pm.
2. First hand I notice that one of my cards is creased, so I inform the dealer after the hand. The floorman replaces the card and the dealer changes the deck.
3. Second hand, no problems.
4. Third hand, again, one of my cards is creased. Floorman replaces it, and the dealer brings out the previous deck.
5. Next hand, I see that one of mucked cards is creased. Pointing at it I loudly say, "this is a joke!"
6. Floor man brings a setup, two new decks. I tell the dealer immediately, "spread the cards, backs up." She does, and I pick out two creased cards.
7. I rack up and leave. F that.

Total session time, 14 minutes. Maybe I can get home in time to watch the last half of Six Feet Under...

Sparks

vegasbob
07-26-2004, 01:15 AM
i dont blame you for leaving. Good choice. and good luck

TobDog
07-26-2004, 06:06 PM
Is it getting that bad that they cant buy new cards? Dont blame you one bit.

DiceyPlay
07-26-2004, 06:24 PM
I'm not surpised. I'm very unhappy with the personnel at HG. Nobody seems to care how that casino is run. No matter what the issue, they just attempt to diffuse the tension without taking any action against a dealer or a patron. I wish there was another casino as convenient as that is near me.

Sparks
07-26-2004, 06:26 PM
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Is it getting that bad that they cant buy new cards?

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I may not have made it clear in my original post, but the creased cards I'm talking about are intentionally creased by a player (or players) to make them identifiable for cheating purposes. It's usually a barely visible crease down the back-center of the card (the long way) about an inch long, easily made with a finger nail or edge of a chip. You see it fairly regularly in card clubs, but I have never in my life seen so many cards marked in so many different decks, in such a short period of time.

For a long time it was always aces which I saw that were marked, but for the last several months it has been dueces. If you think about it, it can be any card, and it will provide a potential advantage to someone who can see the marked card in an opponents hand. Last night at the casino in question, I believe all the cards were diamonds.

I'm probably telling you what you already know, but I thought I'd say it, just in case someone wasn't aware of the practice.

Sparks

DiceyPlay
07-26-2004, 08:41 PM
But the cards from a new setup were marked. So they're recycling marked cards? You know the casino is aware of this practice. That means either the card manager is on the take or they're not training the help that re-colates cards. Either way ... the way that card club is run, I'm not surprised. I hope it's only poor management and not corruption.

oddjob
07-27-2004, 11:25 AM
new setups aren't new cards. they've just been "checked" to make sure the deck is good. apparently someone is really dropping the ball in that department. probably dealers that are making new setups on their breaks, that don't really care.