I got some uh...hidden outs here, or something, don't I?

[balkii]

party 3/6

not sure I played this well. take a look

UTG limps, I limp in MP1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, WHALE (90% VPIP 7% PFR) raises, TightPassivish coldcalls on the button, SB, and BB call, UTG, and I call.

6 to the flop for 12 SBs.

Flop is A /images/graemlins/heart.gif A /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

4 checks to WHALE who bet, TightPassivish raises, 1 fold and 2 coldcallers, I 3-bet (??!?!?), WHALE folds, all call.

I think there is a pretty decent chance I am behind here (I am thinking to TightPassivish), but the pot is huge and maybe I have some hidden outs to counterfeit my kicker. or something.

Turn 7 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

2 checks, I bet, TightPassivish calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

River 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif BOO YAH

UTG checks I check.

How'd I do? Mainly I'm curious about my
a) flop play
b) river check
c) how to play a river blank

[zuluking]

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I think there is a pretty decent chance I am behind here

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Actually there is a pretty decent chance you are WAY AHEAD here! Bet the river too.

[adanthar]

If he's passive, why do you think he'll bet the river? Bet it yourself.

Bet on a blank, too. He'll bet a bigger ace or a full house, but the only thing he'll raise the river with is exactly AQ.

[balkii]

On the flop, I had been planning on betting a river blank, because I felt that if I chekced the river he would surely bet if he had a better hand, but wasn't likely to bluff.

On the river, I went with my read. Unfortunately he checked behind with AK. Uncooperative son of a #$@$%! Fancy play - DENIED!

[joker122]

I don't undertand why you didn't bet the river.

[joker122]

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On the river, I went with my read.

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I thought your read was tight passive.

[Nottom]

I really dislike the river check.

[balkii]

I read him for an A. I didn't know how passive he was at the time. Basically I thought if he had a hand like AT/AJ/AK that he would bet the river.

[BugsBunny]

He might have if you didn't 3 bet the flop. That probably scared him into thinking you might have AQ.

[Ed Miller]

On the river, I went with my read. Unfortunately he checked behind with AK. Uncooperative son of a #$@$%! Fancy play - DENIED!

Blah.. your river check was fine. If you think your opponent is likely to have a hand like ace-king, checking is almost mandatory.

[Vern]

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Blah.. your river check was fine. If you think your opponent is likely to have a hand like ace-king, checking is almost mandatory.

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I don't understand why, could you elaborate on that. The OP had a FH. Any lone Ace or possibly any two hearts would call. Do you check because you expect him to bet at the pot more than 50% of the time with a big ace so you can get extra bets out of the tightpassive and UTG. I would think this is a value bet situation since any hand that beats you now, beat you on the turn, and there was no raise there so those hands are unlikely.

Vern

[chesspain]

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On the river, I went with my read. Unfortunately he checked behind with AK. Uncooperative son of a #$@$%! Fancy play - DENIED!

Blah.. your river check was fine. If you think your opponent is likely to have a hand like ace-king, checking is almost mandatory.

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I'ld have to have one hell of a read to not only put my opponent on AK here but to assume that this "tight passive" player would bet the river, especially after he only called the turn.

[nopepper]

BET THE RIVER...If you are unraised on the turn, he does not have the boat, this is an easy river bet..Im betting 100% of the time

[sthief09]

This check-raise is going to work like 95% of the time. Why is everyone saying to bet the river? He knows the guy has an A. Read TOP. The c/r doesn't have to work that often to be right.

[Trix]

I dont understand the flop 3bet if you think he is tight-passive.

I like the river check.

[Barry]

Given the passive nature of the button, I think that I would bet the river as the back door /images/graemlins/heart.gif's usually give them enough of a reason to check behind, which makes a checkraise attempt less likely to succeed.

[Ed Miller]

This check-raise is going to work like 95% of the time. Why is everyone saying to bet the river? He knows the guy has an A. Read TOP. The c/r doesn't have to work that often to be right.

I agree that checking the river is probably good, but with the third player in the hand remember that sometimes you are risking two bets to win three... so check-raising won't always double your win.

But if you put someone on a strong hand (like, say, trip aces) and think he'll just call if you bet, then absent a VERY strong read it's usually safe to go for a check-raise.