Am I Playing These Too Tight???

[banditdad]

2 hands in a row that I folded and would have won. This is a tight pre flop table that then turns aggressive or at least raises and calls all raises and reraises. In both instances I really had to think before folding.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks.

Turn: (2 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, SB folds, BB folds.

River: (4 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: 4 BB

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, CO calls, BB calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (3.75 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, CO folds, BB calls.

River: (5.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

[Sent]

Hand 1: Fold this PF, dont be results oriented /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hand 2: You can raise this UTG

-Sent

[k000k]

Those 2 hands look standard to me.

Hand 1: Q2s is not worth calling PF. Just cuz 3 clubs and 2 Q's fell and you'da likely won, that doesn't make it right to call. The truth is, calling this will lose you $ in the long term. Even 72o UTG has its day in the sun once in a while..

Hand 2: You missed the flop, what can you do.... Fold and move on.. It was a nice hand but didn't pan out. Get used to it! I play it the same..

[Surfbullet]

Q2s is an autofold anywhere but the blinds, and you want alot of limpers to complete with it in the SB.

In the second hand you are getting 5.5:1 on the flop with an overcard, a backdoor flush, and a backdoor straight. Additionally, there is a heart flush draw on the board so there is a decent chance you will make your hand and still lose. This was a good fold.

You just have to get used to this type of thing - sure, you are going to miss an occasional winner, but far more frequently you will have saved yourself $.

Surf

[bernie]

Imagine if you had Q7o in the MP and would've flopped a FH.

Quit being results oriented. The results to look at happen right up to where you end your hand. Not after.

Study up on odds v. how much you put in to make a hand.

Hitting hand 2 would've dragged the pot, but you'd likely (given your table description) have lost a ton longterm in doing it. Dragging pots is secondary to making/saving money during the hand before showdown.

A more passive table, given your position, a call might be closer.

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[Nottom]

With only 2 limpers, you can toss crappy suited Queens from the button without much worry.

ATs on the other hand is quite strong. Go ahead and raise this pretty much whenever you enter a pot that hasn't already been raised. Given your limp and the resulting small pot, folding the flop is correct.

[cartoonsoldier]

First one is a fold all the time.

2nd hand, raise PF as said and you did not hit the flop so you can fold here.

[Nemesis]

Hand 1 I agree fold it
Hand 2: Raise Preflop... If that happens..You have a 9 SB pot on the flop. You are drawing to 4 outs (fuzzy SSHE math) you can EASILY call 1 bet on the flop to see if you hit an out or pick up a nice draw. So you call your 1 SB to see the turn. So it's 6.5 BB on the turn. You've picked up a gutshot straight and lost your flush draws... the A is still probably good. Adjusted outs say 6 giving you about 7:1 against hitting... the pot is (assuming it goes the same as if you weren't there) 8.5:1 for you to call and you're getting 7:1 on it. So call again... bingo on the river. Check for MP1 to bet he does check raise and you just won yourself a LARGE pot instead of folding into a small one... ALL BECAUSE YOU RAISED PRE-FLOP with a hand that deserves it.

[The Armchair]

Only focusing on hand one:

How often are you going to flop something that good?

The pot ended up being 4 BB, none of which was yours. Let's assume that the same results would have happened had you played -- that is, 4 BB go into the pot other than your bets.

You'd have invested .5 BB pre-flop. Your profit would have been 4 BB. That's an 8:1 investment.

If you think that you're going to get an 8:1 return on playing Q2s with only two limpers in the hand, you're nuts, and not in the good way. You're only going to hit a 4-flush or made flush 7.5:1, and:
a) that's most often only a four-flush, not a made hand
b) it's not the nut flush
c) you're going to have four-flush plus top kicker anywhere near that often

Fold. Clearly.