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me454555
07-25-2004, 11:55 AM
Would you call this flop?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of $2.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, BB calls, Hero...

Tosh
07-25-2004, 12:02 PM
I think from this position in an 8 handed game you should raise preflop. I'd like to see the turn here.

me454555
07-25-2004, 12:27 PM
Raise from UTG+1? KTs isn't THAT great a hand. I figure, if I raise, the only hands that will call will be those that are way ahead (AK, AA-TT) or those that I'm slightly behind (PPs, Ax)

Tosh
07-25-2004, 12:31 PM
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if I raise, the only hands that will call will be those that are way ahead (AK, AA-TT) or those that I'm slightly behind (PPs, Ax)

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On Party Poker that is just plain wrong. 10 handed game I would likely limp, 8 handed is short handed enough for me to raise.

sthief09
07-25-2004, 12:35 PM
T is worth 2 outs, the K is worth only 1 out IMO (since AK is so probable), and the backdoor flush draw is 1.5. your straight draw is a 2 gap so .5 outs, so you have 5 outs. to draw to 5 outs, you need about 8-1. you're immediately getting 13-2. CO isn't likely to 3-bet (or he would've check-raised) but is likely to call, so that's 14-2 right there. your implied odds are pretty big, given the 2 aggressors and a cold-caller, so I think you can make this call.

sthief09
07-25-2004, 12:36 PM
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Raise from UTG+1? KTs isn't THAT great a hand. I figure, if I raise, the only hands that will call will be those that are way ahead (AK, AA-TT) or those that I'm slightly behind (PPs, Ax)

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it's more like MP1 than UTG+1. it's very rarely correct to open-limp in MP with 2 big cards. throw in the poster, and it's a painfully easy raise.