A-A in a hand with 3 maniacs. Huge pot. [Archive]

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07-24-2004, 06:55 AM

Just got back from the casino, and decided to play some online for an hour before going to bed. To my surprise, half of the 2/4 tables had avg. pots of over 10 BB's.

This is my first orbit at the table, so I don't have any reads, other than the average pot has been 15 BB's !! So we know there are a few maniacs sitting down.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, Button caps, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

I go for a limp-reraise. Every pot I've watched so far has been raised pre-flop. I get my wish, and don't even get to be the capper. Even better.

Flop: (20 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

I simply called SB's bet, in hopes of Button raising again, and I can 3-bet.

Turn: (15 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, SB raises, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds, Button 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

I'm thinking, "Good button comes back to life, but WAIT SB c/r. AND we have a caller!"
I now actually consider folding but then remember I'm not at a normal table, and this is certainly considered a big pot now. I'm committed to showdown.

River: (27 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Did I miss a ton of bets on the river here? I know I have Button beat (since he pre-flop raised and capped), but I wasn't sure if SB was bold enough to go for another c/r and max out his value with a hand he seems to think is huge. Anyone betting this river?

Final Pot: 27 BB
Main Pot: 27 BB, between Button, SB, BB and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (27 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB shows 8c Ad (one pair, threes).
Hero shows As Ac (two pair, aces and threes).
Button shows Qd Qh (two pair, queens and threes).
SB shows Kc Jd (two pair, jacks and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 27 BB. 

Unbelievable, eh?

P.S. I made $160 (40 BB) in one hour playing 4 tables tonight. I've never seen the tables playing so poorly wild before. Is it always this juicy Saturday mornings?

WillMagic

07-24-2004, 07:06 AM

This is really an amazing hand. You managed to have AA and bet or raise exactly one time during the entire hand. That's really hard to do.

Preflop: I don't like the limp-reraise, but then again, I never do it, so if it works for you, fine.

Flop: I don't really understand your explanation here. The button did raise again, and you decided not to three-bet? What came over you? I think you should have rammed this flop at every opportunity, because it's not like these idiots are going to fold their hand, and you want to make sure that it doesn't just get called around, as that would be a disastrous loss of EV. And then, when you just call the Button raise, I really don't know what you are thinking.

Turn: I really don't know what you are doing here. Button could easily have AK and it could get checked around - yet another disaster. It seems like on every street you are trying to get too tricky and think yourself out of making the the simple and correct play. You need to start BETTING and RAISING with your good hands.

I bet this river every time - but then again, I ram and jam at every opportunity. Why are you seeing so many monsters under the bed? You said the table is full of maniacs. So then why aren't you ramming and jamming with these guys.

I think you played this hand horribly, and cost yourself in the neigborhood of 4-5 BBs.

Will

jt1

07-24-2004, 08:37 AM

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I now actually consider folding

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Don't ever! Just play straight up Poker. Bet and raise when you have a good hand; call down when you get re-raised.

MAxx

07-24-2004, 09:09 AM

Nice pot, good session. However, you were nowhere near agressive enough with this hand. You did too much calling and not enough raising. Raise them aces, Sallie.

bisonbison

07-24-2004, 09:20 AM

I simply called SB's bet, in hopes of Button raising again, and I can 3-bet.

um. okay. I don't like it, but, okay.

SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

What?

I... called... Button raising... I... 3-bet.

Okay.

SB bets... Hero calls... Button raises... Hero calls

Huh?

KingSix

07-24-2004, 04:11 PM

Yikes. You left about 5 hours worth of work on the table during this hand. Amost every dollar you win at the poker table is a result of the difference between maximizing your wins and minimizing your losses.

King

sthief09

07-24-2004, 06:11 PM

Wait, you have aces, and you're against 2 maniacs, and you didn't bet or raise once postflop.

the fact that you were even considering folding with aces-up on the turn is ridiculous. hell, you shouldve 3-bet the turn.

not betting the turn when it's checked to you is beyond criminal. not raising the turn is crinimal. not betting the river is criminal.

this hand lost you so much long-term $. you did NOTHING to win the pot, which was 20 SB preflop! what the hell is going on?

you played this hand worse than EVERY SINGLE ONE of your opponents.

rkaufman

07-24-2004, 06:49 PM

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you played this hand worse than EVERY SINGLE ONE of your opponents.

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Did you notice what the BB was holding? Hell, if you're going to call all the way, you may as well have a pair. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

sthief09

07-24-2004, 10:03 PM

im sure his expectation was more negative than the optimal play than the guy with A8o. he lost sooo many bets, and gave his opponents such a great opportunity to suck out cheaply. he had 2 guys drawing practically dead, and one drawing to 2 outs, and he didn't put in ONE SINGLE BET OR RAISE postflop.

Sponger15SB

07-25-2004, 02:10 AM

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I simply called SB's bet, in hopes of Button raising again, and I can 3-bet.

um. okay. I don't like it, but, okay.

SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

What?

I... called... Button raising... I... 3-bet.

Okay.

SB bets... Hero calls... Button raises... Hero calls

Huh?

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at the risk of being the 83rd person to make this sort of joke:

it must be an error in the hand history converter. this caused him to mess up his analysis.