What limit at Mirage?

[realbad101]

I'm an online .5/1 at Party doing fairly well (8 BB/hour) and I came in at about 2.5 BB/hour last time at the Borgata in AC at $2/$4. I hear Vegas is looser. Should I consider going up a limit? I am staying / playing at the Mirage. I might go Excalibur to play with the rookie wife for a day.

[Clarkmeister]

Start with the 10-20.

[sucka]

I agree.

From what I hear though, the 15 game at the Bellagio is much better than the 10 game at the Mirage.

If you have the bankroll, I'd recommend trying both. If not, the nighttime 6/12 game at the Mirage has been good all the times that I've been there...

[JDErickson]

Mirage has 3/6, 6/12 and higher. 3/6 is your normal limp fest. I played 6/12 2 nights ago and it was one of the tightest tables I've seen. Made a table switch and next table was fairly tight also.

I would suggest playing the 2-6 at Excalibur. Tables were very loose passive and it easy to walk over the players there.

Jim

[MrBlini]

3/6 at Mirage is perfect. Your rookie wife shouldn't have too much trouble in it if she's read Winning Low Limit Hold'em or Hold'em Poker.

You can get comped $15 at Mirage if you're playing when they hand them out at the window. When you get there, introduce yourself to the pit boss, or whatever his or her title is, in the window to the right of the cashier, and ask if they will have comp meal coupons available later.

[Dynasty]

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Start with the 10-20.

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C'mon. This is bad advice. .50/1 online players aren't going to make the psychological leap to playing 10-20 live just because somebody tells them the games are good.

[NoRiverRats]

Go with what Dynasty, says. I go the Vegas three to four times a year, just to play poker. Anyone who tells someone with your experience to go play 10-20 at the Mirage fully intends to be there at the same time....if you know what I mean.

In my experience, the 10-20 at the Mirage is often one of the toughest games around, if you don't believe me sit at a 6-12 and ask the locals. Whoever said the 15-30 at Bellagio can be a better game is right, it can be so check it out, but be careful, while it attracks lots of people with money who are new to poker, most of the locals know this and often play the 15-30. I would recommend the 6-12 at the Mirage, it can be tough but is very beatable; 4-8 at Bellagio is wild, if you don't mind being sucked out on occasionally and can change your play to suit the game, you can do well here. I susually play the 8-16 at Bellagio and 6-12 at Mirage, and have improved my play with each trip. Have fun!

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Mirage has 3-6 and 6-12 as their low limit games. 3-6 is generally sukky during the day, but better at night (a general statement that covers all casinos, but esp. mirage). 6-12 is generally a better game at mirage at all hours.

Excal has 1-3 and 2-6 spread limit games. 1-3 is a no-brainer. The players are terrible but the rake is high. 2-6 is much better, you can win some decent money at it. Avoid excal during the day except on weekends. Nighttime is MUCH better there. Also, the 2-6 is a much better game than standard 3-6, but you need to realize there are MAJOR adjustments! You simply CANNOT be making bad $6 calls or you'll lose your ASS quickly. For instance... you limp for the $2, then someone raises to $8 behind you. You should virtually always fold. That's like it getting capped behind you in a normal game. Also, if everyone limped into the pot with no raise, then someone bets $6 on the flop, you are getting MUCH worse odds than you would be in a typical structured game. You can punish the magoos this way, but you MUST keep track of the size of the pot vs. the amount you have to call, or you'll be killed. These comments apply to 4-8 games with 1-2 blinds as well, if to a slightly lesser extent.
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[Clarkmeister]

I disagree. The actual difference in difficulty between the two games is negligible, anyone who is asking what limit they should play presumably is ok psychologically with playing higher than 4-8.

[Clarkmeister]

I'm at the Mirage every night and the 10-20 is a joke right now. It's not at all like the rocky 10-20 of yore. It's the new and improved uber fishy 10-20.

BTW, to the original poster, the 6-12 is the worst game in the room.

[Odder]

I played at the Excalibur poker room when I was in Vegas last week and took down 400 bucks in one night at the 2/6 table. It is very juicy. They even have a 4/8 game with a half kill and a $100 NL game. Your wife will be happy there and you can easily make a killing at the tables. Plus, Excalibur gives a spin on the wheel ($20-300 range) if pockets Aces are cracked or if you have a 4 of a kind or better.

[realbad101]

So it looks like everyone is in total agreement /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Appreciate all of the advice. I guess the only real way to go is to give it a try. I'll put some time in at 3/6 and 6/12 and see how it goes. If I build up some dough and am doing ok, maybe I'll give the 10/20 a try.

Can't wait, 1st trip to Vegas, hope to see some 2+2'ers!

[asdtexas]

I am convinced that 3-6 and similar games may be unbeatable. The more I read and study, the more I lose in these games (albeit marginal lifetime, it still rubs me wrong) Being run down with 95o is the norm. I am wondering if moving up makes any sense; however, I have not b/c I want to beat the small games first.

I can already here it: "You should love these games" No, the Horse Race concept is correct. The fish school together and decent hands don't hold up and the rake is prohibitive.

[TimTimSalabim]

The 6-12 is usually a happy medium between the 3-6 "lottery" and the higher limits, where you risk running into some tough players if you play at the wrong time.

[GuyOnTilt]

I am convinced that 3-6 and similar games may be unbeatable. The more I read and study, the more I lose in these games (albeit marginal lifetime, it still rubs me wrong) Being run down with 95o is the norm. I am wondering if moving up makes any sense; however, I have not b/c I want to beat the small games first. I can already here it: "You should love these games" No, the Horse Race concept is correct. The fish school together and decent hands don't hold up and the rake is prohibitive.

No comment.

GoT

[sucka]

BTW, to the original poster, the 6-12 is the worst game in the room.

Wow - that game was good when I was there last. Guess I just got a good table (for 7 hours)

Although, I appreciate the heads up.

[JDErickson]

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For instance... you limp for the $2, then someone raises to $8 behind you

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Boy the limp masters hate that move. But its funny to see the look on their faces when they limp and you raise to 8 right to the left of them. The funny thing is most of them will call anyway /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[EWillers]

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I'm at the Mirage every night and the 10-20 is a joke right now. It's not at all like the rocky 10-20 of yore. It's the new and improved uber fishy 10-20.

BTW, to the original poster, the 6-12 is the worst game in the room.



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I spent about 20 hours a week or so at the Mirage playing the 6/12 almost exclusively from February to May. Most nights the games were really good. Some nights the games were great. Some nights the games were not good.

Funny thing, when bad players happened to populate the table, the game was good. When good players happened to populate the table, the game was bad.

I spose what I deduce from these facts is that games are what they are. As far as B&M analysis of which games are typically "good" or "bad" (and this is a no brainer with on-line games--due to the easy availability of stats) there really isn't any secret. The invisible hand will do its job of making sure that over time, all the games will be about the same at any given time (if it doesn't then the skilled players aern't doing their job).

If you find yourself in a bad game (or what you feel is a less than optimal game) take a walk. Find the better game at that given point in time at that particular place in the universe. Don't worry so much about which casino has the "softest" games and do worry so much about how strongly the 9 other fellas at the table play.

[3rdCheckRaise]

About a 1.5 years ago on my first trip to Vegas i took the worst beating of my life in Mirage 10-20 playing there 6 nights in the row. Do not know if i sucked that bad back then or the game was that tough. On my last two trips ( a month ago and 3 month ago)i've sit down at 10-20 in Mirage while waiting for 20 or 40 game and on couple of nights never made it to 20 game, the game was just that good...Vegas games are supposed to be tougher then AC but 10-20 and 20-40 Mirage are a lot softer then same games in Taj...any idea why ?

[NoRiverRats]

Thanks for the intel Clarkmeister - glad to know the 10-20 is softer. To what do you attribute the change in the game and when did it change? The last time I was there was in Feb. but I didn't play 10-20 at the Mirage, played some 6-12 and mostly 8-16 at Bellagio. Will have to email you before I take of for my next trip in Sept/Oct.

NRR

[mrbaseball]

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the 6-12 is the worst game in the room

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When I was there in May the 6-12 was the worst game I ever saw. Pure granite patch. I didn't play any 10-20 but the 8-16 at the Bellagio was waaaaaaaay better than the 6-12. The 6-12 used to be my favorite but it sure did suck last trip.

I just booked my September trip this weekend and I will be staying at the Mirage and I expect to play the 10-20 most of all.

[JRichman]

I was in Vegas this past weekend and played two 10/20 sessions at the Mirage.

On Friday, I found the table somewhat disappointing given what I have read in these forums. Not tough, mind you, but much tighter than I expected. The game on Saturday was a different story altogether. As far as I could tell, there were only two other decent players at the table, with the rest loose-passive calling stations. Overall, I averaged just over $100/hour for my 6 hours of play.

I am continually amazed at how much more passive live games are than the 10/20 and 15/30 games I play on Party. In six hours of play, I can count the number of difficult decisions I was faced with on one hand.