03-23-2002, 10:37 PM
Hi, all.
I have been paying close attention to the discussion on the forum, thinking and learning advices from Mason, Jim, Tommy, Ray, Vince... Many thanks to you all!
I played this hand two days ago in Casino Rama, 20 HE, and it seems to be thought provoking, especially after the debate on the merits of Jim/Bob's book.
The game is moderately loose and aggressive. I have a very tight and solid image. I have KK in UTG+1 and raised. Cutoff and button call, blinds call. Cutoff is a loose aggresssive but pretty weak player, button is unknown; BB is also loose aggressive, who is willing to make plays in later streets. SB is a relatively strong player, but plays too many hands pre-flop.
Five of us see the flop:
9 7 5, rainbow.
Check, Check, I bet, cutoff raise, all call!
I 3-bet, all call. 440 bucks in the pot.
turn another 9,
Check, BB bets out.
If I follow Jim/Bob's advice, it is a clear fold. Not only because BB may have a 9 (in fact, I put him on a play), but the rest of field is too possible to have a 9... I think fold is not a bad play.
But wait, sure, it is hard to put those guys on a hand, but the pot size is making a gut-shot straight draw valid here, and I believe a raise will increase my chance of winning. If one of them has a 9, I'm drawing to 2-outer, however, the pot is big, and I dont believe call is a good option if I'm going to the river.
I remember vividly Louie Landale's advice " dont fold an over pair easily, unless you are damn sure", and Mason's advice "making an unadjustified play here and there, to prevent people from making shots on you".
Good, I Raise. To my pleasure, 3 remainders folded, and BB called hesitately.
Ace on the river, Check, I bet (good value bet I believe), he called. My hand is good, he has TT.
After the hand, BB says to cutoff, looks like they are buddies, "why didnt you re-raised the turn, he doesnt have a 9 for sure", cutoff said "if he only called, then I may raise, but...".
That conversation makes me think that what if I were in his shoe, say I have 88. What would I do if the same situation comes up? What if the pre-flop raiser merely called the turn? Or he raised the turn?
I believe a tight player (such as me) will fold to a re-raise on the turn. So giving the situation, it seems a profitable play. But will I be able to make that play? I doubt, especially, when button is still remaining to act.
Then, how about I'm the button?...
sskyy
I have been paying close attention to the discussion on the forum, thinking and learning advices from Mason, Jim, Tommy, Ray, Vince... Many thanks to you all!
I played this hand two days ago in Casino Rama, 20 HE, and it seems to be thought provoking, especially after the debate on the merits of Jim/Bob's book.
The game is moderately loose and aggressive. I have a very tight and solid image. I have KK in UTG+1 and raised. Cutoff and button call, blinds call. Cutoff is a loose aggresssive but pretty weak player, button is unknown; BB is also loose aggressive, who is willing to make plays in later streets. SB is a relatively strong player, but plays too many hands pre-flop.
Five of us see the flop:
9 7 5, rainbow.
Check, Check, I bet, cutoff raise, all call!
I 3-bet, all call. 440 bucks in the pot.
turn another 9,
Check, BB bets out.
If I follow Jim/Bob's advice, it is a clear fold. Not only because BB may have a 9 (in fact, I put him on a play), but the rest of field is too possible to have a 9... I think fold is not a bad play.
But wait, sure, it is hard to put those guys on a hand, but the pot size is making a gut-shot straight draw valid here, and I believe a raise will increase my chance of winning. If one of them has a 9, I'm drawing to 2-outer, however, the pot is big, and I dont believe call is a good option if I'm going to the river.
I remember vividly Louie Landale's advice " dont fold an over pair easily, unless you are damn sure", and Mason's advice "making an unadjustified play here and there, to prevent people from making shots on you".
Good, I Raise. To my pleasure, 3 remainders folded, and BB called hesitately.
Ace on the river, Check, I bet (good value bet I believe), he called. My hand is good, he has TT.
After the hand, BB says to cutoff, looks like they are buddies, "why didnt you re-raised the turn, he doesnt have a 9 for sure", cutoff said "if he only called, then I may raise, but...".
That conversation makes me think that what if I were in his shoe, say I have 88. What would I do if the same situation comes up? What if the pre-flop raiser merely called the turn? Or he raised the turn?
I believe a tight player (such as me) will fold to a re-raise on the turn. So giving the situation, it seems a profitable play. But will I be able to make that play? I doubt, especially, when button is still remaining to act.
Then, how about I'm the button?...
sskyy