WARNING: Not pretty

[BottlesOf]

Ok, where do you fold this?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.70 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 folds.

River: (12.70 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.70 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 14.70 BB, between Hero and Button.</font>

[MoreWineII]

On the flop.

[joker122]

Bottles,
I let go on the flop. You realize that in order to win this hand you have to beat all 5 of the players, not just the preflop raiser, right?

[BottlesOf]

Yes, I'm aware.

I was thinking, they may fold, and should I hit one of my non-diamond outs, I'm looking good. Clearly I can hit and still lose, hence my posted question.

[tech]

I'm done on the flop. You've got four outs at best, you're possibly drawing dead, and if you hit on the turn you have to dodge a redraw on the river.

[sthief09]

since I'm sure you're drawing to 3 outs with that many people calling, I'd get rid of it on the turn.

[joker122]

I hope you didn't take offense to my response. I wasn't trying to be condescending, rather just trying to get a point across.

So you've got seemingly 4 clean outs on the flop. It would appear you're getting odds for a call here, but 1. you could be drawing dead 2. there are countless redraws against you

So you peel one.

I don't think anyone can make an argument for your turn call.

[joker122]

[ QUOTE ]
since I'm sure you're drawing to 3 outs with that many people calling...

[/ QUOTE ]

I count 4 outs...2 fours and 2 non diamonds aces.

[BottlesOf]

No I wasn't offended at all, sorry if my response seemed....however it seemed.

I know I misplayed the hand and that I did so badly. I posted here b/c I wanted to know where people thought the best spot to fold was. I thank you and the others for sharing your thoughts.

[mikeyvegas]

I drop this hand on the turn unimproved. I would have to figure my 4 outs are clean.

[jslag]

I'd fold on the flop. Save your $5 for another hand.

[Bob T.]

I fold on the flop. There are about a lot of cards that could hurt me if I am actually ahead, and only about 4 that might help me, and I will need one each on the turn and river to like my hand.

Good luck,
play well,

Bob T.

[Bob T.]

Yeah, but none of your outs are clean, so you have to discount them.

[arkady]

that board is too scary and has too many people to be continuing, don't you think? I haven't read other responses, but some of those outs are going to be dirty...maybe all the Aces. Personally, i fold on flop.

Enough alternative is to check the raise the turn and represent a made flush /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[TheGrifter]

How aggressive are the 5/10 tables at party? I think small suited aces are not real profitable from MP. I would generally fold preflop, If I played the hand I would fold on the flop (you have 0-4 outs and you're not closing the action).

[pudley4]

Preflop - easy limp. Easy call of the raise.

Flop - There are several reasons to call:

1 - You're getting 15-1.
2 - You're almost closing the action.
2a- If MP3 check-raises, the Button will likely 3-bet and you have an easy fold.
3 - You're in great position on the turn to see how everyone reacts to the Button's bet.
3a - Because the Button is betting, it's possible the turn will be checked to him and he may give/take a free card.

Turn: The Button still isn't likely to have a flush, and once no one else bets/checkraises, it's very likely they don't have a flush either. Getting 11-1 and again likely closing the action, it's a very close decision.

River: Meh...it's possible he's got something like A /images/graemlins/diamond.gifKx