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Ponks

07-20-2004, 09:30 PM

Sorry for the collection of hands. I've been on a bad losing streak lately, and I feel I'm calling down too much. These may not be the best examples, but I sifted through a ton of hands and this is what I found. I'm not looking for a reason to fold really, but in all these hands I felt I was behind. No reads on any opponents because I'm multi-tabling. I believe every BB is important, and I dont want to lose some when its pretty clear I'm beat. The bad swing I think is affecting me, but I've taken a break, and I dont think I'm playing badly, I'm just questioning my play a lot more. Just a quick little, I'd fold here, or I'd call down would be helpful. An analysis isnt really needed or expected with 6 hands, but would certainly be appreciated.

Thanks for the help
Ponks

 #1 

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, Button calls, 2 folds,

Flop: (5.33 SB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (5.66 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.66 BB
Main Pot: 9.66 BB, between Hero and Button.

 #2 

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 4 folds, SB raises, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB
Main Pot: 10 BB, between SB and Hero.

#3 

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 3-bets, 5 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.66 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.66 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.66 BB
Main Pot: 10.66 BB, between Hero and MP2.

 #4 

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero checks,

Flop: (4.33 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 raises, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG folds, MP2 caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.66 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (10.66 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.66 BB
Main Pot: 12.66 BB, between MP2 and Hero.

 #5 

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.16 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 9.16 BB
Main Pot: 9.16 BB, between Hero, UTG+1 and MP2.

#6 

And lastly, a bonus blind steal thrown in, because I could always use work on these.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
5 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls,

Flop: (6 SB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 6 BB
Main Pot: 6 BB, between Hero and BB.

Ponks

07-21-2004, 01:44 AM

-nt

MoreWineII

07-21-2004, 01:50 AM

I'll take a stab.

#1 - fold river
#2 - yes
#3 - yes
#4 - fold turn
#5 - yes
#6 - yes

Quite possibly I'm wrong on some of these, but at the very least maybe it will generate some discussion. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

HajiShirazu

07-21-2004, 02:21 AM

First of all it seems that you are making a lot of second best hands that you are forced to pay off with here. It is easy to lose a lot of money regardless of how you play when you get a lot of hands like these.
Hand 1, I just cant make that bet on the river. I just don't see somebody calling with a worse hand after he calls the turn. I would check and call the river, I guess. If I bet the river it would be with intention of folding to the raise, something I never like doing on the river in reasonable pots.
Hand 2 I play the same way.
Hand 3, I'm not sure about. It seems like a checkraise gives him a chance to fold hands that you want to call while getting 3-bet by hand you don't want to be 3-bet by.
Hand 4 is ugly but I guess I would have to pay to see it too. Maybe he could have QJ or something, and maybe he's crazy. I don't know. That's about as bad as it gets for two pair. The Q is a dismal card. I would have checked the turn and called down.
Hand 5 either bet the turn intending to fold to a raise, then check river, or fold the river.
Hand 6 is standard I guess. I wonder how often the blinds will actually fold though. Because 9 high is the type of hand that, when you raise, you'd like the blinds to fold.