the OFFICIAL "dutch boyd crew is gay" thread

[Sponger15SB]

let me be the first to say i laughed hysterically at this segment and can't wait to watch it again!

[MicroBob]

i will happily join this thread...as Boyd's crew is about as stupid as it gets.

but i just can't agree with you on the other part....i NEVER want to see that ridiculous, pathetic segment again.

[thirddan]

The guy that won seems like a huge A-hole...
and the episode sucked as well...

[mrbaseball]

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The guy that won seems like a huge A-hole...

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Enormously! A true dick in every sense of the word. He was real annoying.

[MercTec]

"The Crew" is the best they could come up with???

And how about the nicknames and Dutch Boyd with his rakefree shirt on?

[Shaun]

Yes that guy was a real jerk. I wanted him to lose very badly.

[Rushmore]

"What is this--West Side Story??!"

C'mon--that was great.

These guys are a bunch of clowns. They're "taking the poker world by storm?"

They can clean my storm cellar for $8.50 an hour.

I'd like to see Sam Grizzle take them all out back.

[Tyler Durden]

I'm upset that this thread was already started--I wanted to be the one.

Fischman seems like a real d-bag. What was up w/ his celebration when he turned a set of Aces against the other guy's 88? He was already winning the hand. Way too much classless celebration from him on this episode.

And Dutch looked ridiculous in that do-rag. It ain't surprising that they're friends, cuz they're both massive tools.

[MercTec]

massive tools.....sounds like an Ali G reference. How great is that show?

[Tyler Durden]

I've never seen Ali G....I got "massive tool" from that SNL/TRL sketch. It was Jimmy Fallon as Carson Daly and when the sketch started he said "Hi I'm Carson Daly and I'm completely average in every way." Then when the sketch ended he said "I'm Carson Daly and I'm a massive tool." Pretty good sketch from what I remember.

[bones]

"Dorks. You guys look like a couple of dorks." -Pulp Fiction

[d_wrek]

Please make them go away.

[LA_Price]

They're going to take over the poker world by pushing all-in with overcards when the flop comes rags.

[Gamblor]

Considering Sam Grizzle is stone broke, it's a definite possibility that they might get rolled.

[Tyler Durden]

Sam Grizzle went broke? I saw him playing in a big game at Bellagio during the WSOP.

[SpeakEasy]

Everyone on the 2+2 forum, please repeat with me:

"I will never, EVER, lie down on the table when I win a tournament."

Absolutely classless. Shake your opponent's hand and go have a beer.

I honestly believe they showed Boyd's face more than Awada when the game got short handed. Why does ESPN think we want to see this guy? Are they that enamoured with his "chip tricks"?

[TimTimSalabim]

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I honestly believe they showed Boyd's face more than Awada when the game got short handed. Why does ESPN think we want to see this guy? Are they that enamoured with his "chip tricks"?

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Maybe Boyd owes them money and they're keeping an eye on him?

[Bobby Digital]

That segment was halarity, what a bunch of herbs.

[TimTimSalabim]

This guy defines classless. The wild celebrations every time someone was eliminated. Then going over to his buddies and telling how he wanted to go against Washington heads up because he's so bad. Then he proceeds to go against this very strategy by calling Washington's all-in to eliminate him.

[OrangeHeat]

Tools I say, all of them tools!

Orange

[Laomedon]

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Maybe Boyd owes them money and they're keeping an eye on him?


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Now that's funny...

[Liz L.]

I was beside myself watching these idiots.

The one who pulled a miracle out of his ass on the last hand is nearly as grotesque as his boyfriend, that lying sack of shite, Dutch Boyd.

And "the Crew": what a collection of circle-jerking wankers! It's hard to believe there can be this many jackasses thrilled to hang around each other, not to mention running to the peanut gallery in between each and every hand to do high fives, hand jobs, the wave and the hokey-pokey.

If it weren't for that nice quiet young English guy who won one of the earlier WSOP events shown, I would begin to think that all poker players under 30 are a generation of moronic self-congratulatory scum.

[MicroBob]

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What a bunch of circle-jerking wankers "the Crew" members all are.

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i wonder how accurate this statement really is.


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hard to believe there can be this many jackasses thrilled to hang around each other

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better that they hang around each other then with anyone else.


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every hand to do high fives, hand jobs, the wave and the hokey-pokey.


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all at the same time?? now that would be impressive.

[banditbdl]

I only caught just a few bits of the show tonite including the finale where Fischman pranced around like a classless idiot. I just remember thinking to myself who is this [censored] as he was dancing around only to find out immediately afterwards then him and Dutch Boyd were buddy-buddy. What are the bleeping odds?

[bones]

It really wouldn't shock me to see Dutch Boyd and Jesus Ferguson co-hosting sportscenter soon.

At least there hasn't been a Bryan Watkins sighting. Yet.

[NLfool]

damn, these celebrations after winning a hand are way over the top. BTW that comment about wanting to go HU against Washington was piss poor considering he didn't whisper it and knew it was going to be televised (but the Washington guy was terrible). Awata played good poker and if someone wins a hand against the "crew" I hope they jump up and down do victory laps, refuse to shake a hand and make them feel like [censored]. Williamson from PLO was a celebrator too but he came off as a much more sincere, pleasant and not a rub it in type of guy.

The only thing is that with Dutch's track record and the behavior of these clowns I am almost positive these guy will cheat in online ring games and there would be chip dumping in online tournaments for sure (I'd keep an eye on these guys more than Men's at a live tourn). Sad part is that there are enough losers that I went to high school with that will think these guys and their behavior is the "in" thing.

[Tuds75]

I just wanted to add my 2 sense.

First: All these guys are loser. They are just some young kids with big heads. Dutch Boyd's head is big enough physically he doesn't need to get it any larger. How bout taking off the clothes you have been wearing for the last week straight and wearing something that doesnt have pit stains.

Second: I have never wanted to see a person on a televised poker event lose as much as I wanted to see that goteed spaz runt get his.

Last: There are already is "crew" of young poker players taking the game by storm. This crew includes: Negreanu, Juanda, Erick Lindgren, and Allen Cunningham. These guys are all young and close friends. Those guys are taking over the poker world, not "Douch" Boyd and his bedwetters

[Sponger15SB]

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not "Douch" Boyd and his bedwetters

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comment of the thread!

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sweet i'm so glad i was the one to start this post! hehe

[SaintAces]

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I only caught just a few bits of the show tonite including the finale where Fischman pranced around like a classless idiot. I just remember thinking to myself who is this [censored] as he was dancing around only to find out immediately afterwards then him and Dutch Boyd were buddy-buddy. What are the bleeping odds?

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lmfao!

[SaintAces]

these posts are classics!

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

I've never wanted to bitch-slap 6 guys on tv more than when I saw those whorebags skipping down the street.

[SaintAces]

I HATE Fishman.

[The_Tracker]

Fischman needs to put a lid on his celebrations. He was over the top and disrespectful. So much for being humble when you suckout on someone. (Ace kicker)

Oh, and the show sucked ass! I have grown tired of watching the all-in only hands. Zzzzzzzzzz

[TwoNiner]

True story: In high school there was a group a guys a year younger then us called "The Crew" that actually admitted to wacking off together. Weirdest [censored] I've ever heard of. Yet I think they are probably cooler than the guys I saw on TV tonight..

[doggin]

All those young men high rolling through the poker world!

Fists full of hundred dollar bills!

Where the hell are the women?

Fukkin Dorks allright.

I respect P. Gordon's play , at 6 foot 10 I damn well better, but with 90 million bucks, and no girl friend,
another case of the WTF's. (no he's not the crew)

[3rdEye]

While I may not say anything officially meaningful on this thread, I would like to contribute to it as an indication of my concurrence with its sentiment.

Hence, this post.

[3rdEye]

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Everyone on the 2+2 forum, please repeat with me:

"I will never, EVER, lie down on the table when I win a tournament."


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I'm classless. I couldn't honestly say I wouldn't do it. I don't have the slightest clue what the hell I might do.

[Rushmore]

It occurs to me that this tool was very similar in classlessness to Bobby Flay, when he jumped up onto the cutting board in his Iron Chef matchup against my idol, Morimoto.

Morimoto said "He not real chef. No. He disgrace chef by jumping up on cutting board. Cutting board sacred to real chef."

So, I say "WSOP final table sacred to real poker player. Fischmann not poker player. He disgrace poker player."

[NJchick]

By far the funniest AND most accurate observation from this thread.

I had to prop myself up from the floor to type this as I am still laughing.

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[Gamblor]

Rumour has it he has been playing 15/30 at the Bellagio (on permatilt, I might add) and is being staked. Rumours of him selling his house to finance a bankroll are also running rampant.

I have no source (other than hearsay from another member of the poker community) but I'll see what I can do.

[scotnt73]

did anyone else flip thier tv the bird everytime it showed dutch boyd? i thought they looked like the typical nerd herd from high school. i bet dutch was the dungeon master of thier D&D club.

[Easy E]

I've found someone else to root against....

and how could PRESTO! fail against that loser?!? The Crew must be evil incarnate.

[Rick Diesel]

Rumor has it that they all share an apartment. How gay is that?

The no women thing is quite confusing though. My guess is that they are too cheap to pay for escorts, and there is no way any woman in their right mind would hang out with any of these dorks if she was not paid to do so.

[Rick Diesel]

I often dream of being creative enough to post something this good. Thank you.

[B Dids]

Not to kill the Crew hate- because yay, they're tools, but a bunch of 20 something guys living together isn't terribly strange or gay.

[RowdyZ]

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Not to kill the Crew hate- because yay, they're tools, but a bunch of 20 something guys living together isn't terribly strange or gay.

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6 guys in thier 20's not in a frat (I wonder if Dutch and his "Crew" are TriLambs) living together sounds prety strange to me. 2 or even 3 yeah.. 6? sounds cultish.. or worse.

RZ

[Dominic]

Yes, the segment on those pathetic, 23-old old punks was hysterical. But let's remember: most 23-yr olds think they rule the world, so while they're arrogance is annoying, it's understandable.

Plus, they way what's-his-name was catching flops, my grandmother could've won that table.

[Dominic]

they're all members of that ridiculous sub-culture known as "suburban gangsta." They grow up watching MTV thinking Snoop Dog and the Wu Tang are people to emulate so they start snapping handshakes and gang signs, talking like they grew up in Compton while they're Daddy gives them money to go clubbing and Mommy still makes them perfect little sandwiches with the crusts cut off. Of course, we all know they really grew up in a Steven Speilberg movie.

It's completely laughable but it is also very entertaining to see people make such tools of themselves.

[MaxPower]

Scott Fischman was annoying as hell. Absolutely no class.

When he flopped down on the table after winning the last hand, they should have called his hand dead and awarded the pot to Awada. That would have been great.

[benfranklin]

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they're all members of that ridiculous sub-culture known as "suburban gangsta." They grow up watching MTV thinking Snoop Dog and the Wu Tang are people to emulate so they start snapping handshakes and gang signs, talking like they grew up in Compton

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A hundred bucks says they call each other "Bro" when they "hang" at their fine apartment.

[top2pear]

How many good reads did Fischman make on the broadcast, zero? How many good reads did Awata make on the broadcast, several (including the final one to call w/55 against a board with two overcards against a preflop raiser!)?

For Fisch to feel like he played well is a bad sign for him. Certainly, one must get lucky at least a couple times to win a tourney with several hundred competitors, but for him to make that many bad reads to risk his entire stack (or most of it) doesn't bode well for future success. If i had the money, i wouldn't stake him--but the Circus Juggler? I'd consider it.

And who thinks the Fisch could muck QQ against a 5KK board like Thunder did?

[La Brujita]

From what we saw Fischman was totally outclassed heads up. Like everyone else I was rooting against him, but I really liked the style of his opponent.

When I play I try to be classy after I outdraw someone, I think you should be somewhat upset with yourself you got your money in as the dog.

[benfranklin]

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Scott Fischman was annoying as hell. Absolutely no class.

When he flopped down on the table after winning the last hand, they should have called his hand dead and awarded the pot to Awada. That would have been great.

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I think we need a ruling on that. Isn't HE dead when he throws himself in the muck /images/graemlins/confused.gif

(Where he belongs /images/graemlins/grin.gif )

[eMarkM]

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These guys are a bunch of clowns. They're "taking the poker world by storm?"

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As much as I agree with the sentiments of this thread, and much as I hate to say it, they DID bring home 3 bracelets. We'll unfortunately be exposed to more of the "crew" in the ESPN coverage.

[benfranklin]

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Not to kill the Crew hate- because yay, they're tools, but a bunch of 20 something guys living together isn't terribly strange or gay.

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A bunch of broke students living together isn't strange. A bunch of 20-something professional gamblers living together in a nice, large house isn't strange. Those guys in an apartment conjures up an image of bad furniture littered with empty cans and take-out food debris, and a bunch of half-awake guys sitting around in the early afternoon, playing video games while breakfasting on cold pizza and Pepsi. And a single bathroom that could keep a microbiologist busy for weeks.

[benfranklin]

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And "the Crew": what a collection of circle-jerking wankers! It's hard to believe there can be this many jackasses thrilled to hang around each other

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Who else could they hang around with? And I find your comparison of the Crew to jackasses here to be offensive and insulting to animals.

Perhaps pond scum might be more appropriate. It is also descriptive of their appearance and their apparent organic interdependence.

[coolhandtom]

they look like the goonies gone wrong to me...

hi, im on tv and im wearing a 50cent do-rag... homo

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[B Dids]

You sound really old and stuffy right now.

There's a lot of make fun of with these guys, but talking like anybody else their age is not one of them.

For as much as Chad got ripped on for giving Vogel crap a few weeks ago, y'all are doing the same exact thing.

Hate them because they're dicks, not because they're young.

[Stew]

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You sound really old and stuffy right now.

There's a lot of make fun of with these guys, but talking like anybody else their age is not one of them.

For as much as Chad got ripped on for giving Vogel crap a few weeks ago, y'all are doing the same exact thing.

Hate them because they're dicks, not because they're young.

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Good point! They're dicks, I don't like them!

[benfranklin]

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Hate them because they're dicks, not because they're young.

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I don't hate them, I love them. They make me feel superior and they are great fun to ridicule. Being young and being a dick are not always mutually indepedent. Some people grow out of it. In this case, I think that dickness is more than skin deep. Dutch and Fischman will still be dicks when they are grumpy old men like me.

And there are a ton of young players out there that I do hate, because they are very good and they aren't dicks about it. I hate that when you can't hate somebody who is better than you.

[WEASEL45]

The lady who does pokerworks.com was saying that he went boke and was stake playing 15/30. i think it was sometime last week

[Beavis68]

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Scott Fischman was annoying as hell. Absolutely no class.

When he flopped down on the table after winning the last hand, they should have called his hand dead and awarded the pot to Awada. That would have been great.

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I think we need a ruling on that. Isn't HE dead when he throws himself in the muck /images/graemlins/confused.gif

(Where he belongs /images/graemlins/grin.gif )

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I second that!

This thread gives me hope, after watching those idiots, and Thomas "Gummybear" Keller Yelling after every hand, I am beginning to fear that the final tables are going to turn into a frat party.

Not trying to say that Tom was as bad Boyd's Boys. He actually has class. Although I was really afraid Matusow was going to kiss him on the lips after one hand.

[top2pear]

I just remembered at lunch that Fisch DID muck QQ (very publicly) against Washington, right? I think that's what happened right as i turned on the TV. So we can see that he's capable of making the big fold . . . ONCE. I think his tremendous ego worked against him from then on because he couldn't lay down 98 after hitting top pair on flop, betting out, and getting raised all-in. Or is that the one he WAS able to fold HU? (I think the carbs at lunch have seriously downgraded my already not-so-reliable memory.)

[coolhandtom]

he folded JJ to AK if i remember right...

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[daryn]

does anyone else here NOT hate dutch boyd?

it seems like everyone wants to shoot their tv when they see him on. i mean [censored], i don't like the guy, but i don't hate him either. he may be annoying and all, but who on tv isn't?

a bunch of people are going to take this post the wrong way of course. here we go!

[toots]

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... talking like they grew up in Compton while they're Daddy gives them money to go clubbing and Mommy still makes them perfect little sandwiches with the crusts cut off.

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While I agree that they're a worthless collection of douchebag tools, that their skills are probably not as great as they like to represent, and overall, there's little to be said about them, I'm willing to bet that at least one of them understands the difference between "their," "there" and "they're" (and their proper usage).

Not really relevant to anything but my need to be a pedantic misanthropic douchebag.

As you were...

[Gamblor]

That is the best site ever.

pokerworks.com has a new fan.

(I see where my buddy got his info)

[ElSapo]

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does anyone else here NOT hate dutch boyd?

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I don't. I don't know the guy.

Look, I think a lot of the hatred here is rooted, at least somewhat, in Boyd's past and the Pokerspot failure and what people have read or heard or experienced. Fine and well.

But if you look at it from the standpoint of people who don't know this, who see a group of young guys having fun and doing well, it's easy enough to see why ESPN would give him so much coverage.

Boyd came off fairly well in last years broadcast and it was easy to see why people would like him. He's young, able to dress himself, well spoken, passionate and apparently talented at what he's doing.

As for over the top celebrations, I find them classless and annoying as well.

ElSapo

[Aloysius]

I'm with you on this one - when Presto got sucked out on I knew Fischman had made some kind of pact with Satan.

BTW, how bad was his all-in push on the turn when he had top pair (hole cards were T9o I believe) and Awada had 2 pair (85o)? What would Awada lay down that is beating him? And what would he call with that is losing?

[drewjustdrew]

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Boyd came off fairly well in last years broadcast and it was easy to see why people would like him.

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I didn't know Boyd from Adam last year, and to me he came off like a cocky tool.

Do you guys think that Gank on PStars is a combination of all the crew? So that they can qualify for monthly bonuses by entering as many tournaments as possible? I know Gank is at least Brett Jungblut, but probably also some of the others. Good idea if you have enough people with skill.

[jagoff]

The best part of that segment was the gay nicknames that they give each other (probably alot of thought went into these during their daily circle jerks where Dutch ran pivot). The guy who won his nickname should have been Kentucky Mudflap since he was obviously a redneck. That big, dopey looking guys nickname should have been Grimace from McDonald's fame, Dutch is obviously Unibrow, and the others you can call Mongloid 1,2,etc. they are interchangeable so don't worry about offending anyone. I hate these guys and hope they end up poor and destitute. So destitute that the next time I am in Vegas I will find Dutch trying to turn tricks in the airport bathrooms.

[Nemesis]

I laughed when i heard about "The Crew"

[jagoff]

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did anyone else flip thier tv the bird everytime it showed dutch boyd? i thought they looked like the typical nerd herd from high school. i bet dutch was the dungeon master of thier D&D club.

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Holy flurking schnit!!! That is priceless! I bet Dutch still plays with his "crew". "Roll the 20 sided die to see what waits for you when you flop on the table after the big win!". *the roll is a 20* "You have just became the coolest man on the face of the planet" "wait a minute the DM Guide says nothing about me giving you a blow job Fisch but I will anyways"

[Dominic]

I don't hate them 'cause they're young; I hate them cause they're young dicks. At least with an old guy who's a dick, you can think that maybe he deserves to be, you know? Maybe he's got world experience that turned him into a dick. With a 23 yr. old who's a dick, it's usually just arrogant posturing. Which SHOULD be made fun of.

[tylerdurden]

The most annoying part of Fischman's "performance" was his constant running over to Dutch for reassurance. He looked like a little puppy.

[Dominic]

Considering I have a a Masters in English, you're right; I should - and do - know the difference between the three. But as I'm sure you're (not your!) well aware, it's easy to make a typo like that when you're not paying complete attention.

And since you so eloquently flamed yourself, I now feel no need to do so.

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[Army Eye]

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I just remembered at lunch that Fisch DID muck QQ (very publicly) against Washington, right? I think that's what happened right as i turned on the TV. So we can see that he's capable of making the big fold . . . ONCE. I think his tremendous ego worked against him from then on because he couldn't lay down 98 after hitting top pair on flop, betting out, and getting raised all-in. Or is that the one he WAS able to fold HU? (I think the carbs at lunch have seriously downgraded my already not-so-reliable memory.)

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It was 87, flopped top pair, and yes he did fold to the all-in re-raise.

[ohkanada]

I must be one of the few who thought the best player (Fischman) won the 1st event last night. I didn't think it was close. As far as the cheering, who cares. Keller who won the 2nd event last night was cheering wildly as well.

Do I like Dutch. No. Would I ever play on a pokersite he runs. No. But jeez, as Ed said his crew did quite well plus moneyed a several other times.

Was Scott over the top cocky, sure. But he did win 2 wsop bracelets.

Ken Poklitar

[B Dids]

The difference is that Keller only got super happy like twice, and once was when he won.

Not that I paid attention, but none of the play in the first event impressed me. I did like Fishman stating that he wanted Washington heads up, because dick move or not- he was totally right.

[jacksfull]

I never seem to see any girls hanging around the Crew. Do you think there's something there? Will we be seeing them on Bravo, cleaning up some guy's apartment and taking him out for a new wardrobe?

[Beavis68]

If the are really gay, don't you think Norman Chad would be nicer to them?

[jjnidguy]

Hey guys

dutch boyd is alright... Hes no where as classless as his douche friend fischman

yeah obviously fischman was an arrogant classless ass... But in the 03 WSOP boyd was real nice...

Hes the kinda guy who acts somberly when he outdraws

I even saw him apologize to a guy in 03 after outdrawing him..

The guy replies "thats poker"

anyways

yeah there crew is so lame

but fischman is the only ass

[Rjeeves]

Can't say i'm surprised to see such a reaction to "The Crew". Right of the bat, I found that segment to be pathetic. I would argue with the consensus - they came across as a bunch of arrogant, ego driven players. Seems to me they've read a few too many of the Tiltboy (http://www.tiltboys.com) trip reports.

That said, regardless of how you feel about Dutch Boyd & Co., I would argue that "The Crew" may actually be a positive for the game. They add personality to the table. One could draw comparison to McEnroe in the tennis world. You may not find his lack of sportsmanship to be pleasant, but he draws an audience. Simiarly so, Dutch Boyd & Co. may have inflated egos, but they are memorable.

Character at the table is in part what will maintain a television audience. Anything that adds color to the game is a positive.

Will I deposit money at a Boyd Enterprise? Of course not. But do I understand why ESPN gives the kid so much air time? Yes.

[banditbdl]

I think some of my reaction to Dutch Boyd and the Crew is really more in regards to ESPN. It just annoys me that they are the biggest window into the under-25 poker players that ESPN has decided to showcase and they're so stereotypically classless, ignorant ("We're gonna take over the poker world!") and generally juvenile. They're just embarrassing. I realize these feelings are almost entirely irrational (why the hell should I care?), but well, there they are.

[nef]

Jagbags!

IIRC, Dutch Boyd owes a lot of people a lot of money from the internet poker site. I am surprised he can show his face in public, especially in the poker world. Maybe the crew are his bodyguards. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[balt999]

I can't speak for Dutch Boyd or Brett Jungblunt, but I do know Scott Fischman a little playing with him in local Vegas Tourneys...he's not as bad as he was depicted. Yes, he's a little cocky and arrogant, but I've never seen him berate or belittle his opponents. I think it's just him being excited of the thought of winnings a WSOP tourney. Heck, if I ever won a WSOP, I'd be jumping for joy too.

Also, Scott Fischman generally has given me respect and was very friendly when we interacted.

[jwvdcw]

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I'm with you on this one - when Presto got sucked out on I knew Fischman had made some kind of pact with Satan.

BTW, how bad was his all-in push on the turn when he had top pair (hole cards were T9o I believe) and Awada had 2 pair (85o)? What would Awada lay down that is beating him? And what would he call with that is losing?

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Its not so terrible if he decides that hes going to call if he checks and his opponent bets...in that case its better for him to just bet out himself. Perhaps his opponent had an open ended straight draw- that would've been a great bet in that situation.

[Brain]

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every hand to do high fives, hand jobs, the wave and the hokey-pokey.


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all at the same time?? now that would be impressive.

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well, i'm sure they know how to "shake it all about."

[ncskiier]

I saw him last month at Bellagio playing 10/20 NL.

[Stipe_fan]

We should rename their gang from "the crew" to "the little rascals". Now, which one is Spanky??

[MicroBob]

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Now, which one is Spanky??



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they all are.

[MicroBob]

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BTW, how bad was his all-in push on the turn when he had top pair (hole cards were T9o I believe) and Awada had 2 pair (85o)? What would Awada lay down that is beating him? And what would he call with that is losing?


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Its not so terrible if he decides that hes going to call if he checks and his opponent bets...in that case its better for him to just bet out himself. Perhaps his opponent had an open ended straight draw- that would've been a great bet in that situation.


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i agree.
or....perhaps he thought that his all-in push would make it look like HE was on a straight-draw or had over-cards and was just trying to buy the pot...
and if his opponent had any piece of the flop there was a decent chance he would call with something less than TPTK.


i think it was a good push...there's no way he could put his opponent on two-pair in that situation.

if he wanted to play conservatively he could have gone for a smaller bet (don't know what the pot-size was relative to their stack-sizes)....but going all-in makes it look like he's trying to buy it, doesn't it??

[Rick Diesel]

[ QUOTE ]
I hate these guys and hope they end up poor and destitute. So destitute that the next time I am in Vegas I will find Dutch trying to turn tricks in the airport bathrooms.

[/ QUOTE ]

So are you saying that you are attracted to Dutch?

[jagoff]

Yes! I am severly attracted to Dutch! I would definately give that guy a rusty trombone!

You don't know what a rusty trombone is? Check it out... web page (http://http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=831100&page=4&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1#831100)

[beerbandit]

i would say that you need to atleast watch the ali g show once. it might not be your type of humor but i was watching it last night and i was laughing so hard i almost........ well you get it



it's on channel 2 (hbo) last night it was on at 9 o'clock est

[Daliman]

From my notes on Emptyseat88 on UB, aka Scott Fischman.

"Bad player. Too loose aggressive ring and SH. If SH and he raises flop, he has 2nd pair or draw at best. Use as a proxy bettor when you hit and he's in position on you. Will not fold ace high to a turn check raise. Will not fold any pair. If he raises preflop and checks the flop, he's huge."

and from my pokertracker database on him, not that it means much
"Emptyseat88 vs. PokerDali 1694 hands played at 10-20 and 15-30 level, PokerDali +1262"

as far as chatting w/ him online, I seem to remember him whining about results, but otherwise being relatively ok. Of course, I ALWAYS whine about results, so I have little to no room to judge about that.

[charlie_t_jr]

[ QUOTE ]
Boyd came off fairly well in last years broadcast and it was easy to see why people would like him. He's young, able to dress himself, well spoken, passionate and apparently talented at what he's doing.


[/ QUOTE ]

He came off fine during last year's WSOP, except when he busted out. He and his crew were treating the ESPN cameras like they were paparazzi. I think that was the 1st inkling of the attitude of Dutch ans his crew.

I don't hate the guy, actually kind of liked him during last years show. A young guy running with his buds...a little cocky...a little obnoxious...we've all gone through it. Or more accurately for most of the posters around here, "going through it".

5 or 6 years from now, I'm sure he'll look back and cringe at some of the things he said and did.

[toots]

He didn't annoy me that much during last year's coverage, although I admit that I was just about as predisposed against him as I would be against any other thieving scumbag.

This year, he set my teeth on edge. A ferret enema would be too good for that idiot, and now that I think of, I'm rather afraid that it just might be the sort of entertainment he dreams of.

[Dagrims]

I thought that Fischman acted very immature as well. The segment on the Crew did not show them in a positive light at all to the older, long-time poker players. I think they portrayed themselves as arrogant a**holes. I guarantee, however, that the majority of the posters at this forum are not the target market for ESPN's segment. They're trying to appeal to the young adult sports fan who doesn't play poker much (yet). I'm not too far removed from college to see how 18-25 year old male sports fans would find the Crew interesting.

One small additional comment - why is the word 'gay' used so often as an insult?

[RPatterson]

So basically, he sucks.

[toots]

You know, I often wonder about "gay" as an insult, too.

Were we to go back to my previous studies, I might posit that a whole chunk of gender-based politics comes from institutionalized mysogyny, with "men" considered the highest and "women" being the lowest, and that any further deviation from the expectations of masculinity (such as gay) is considered an abomination and/or challenge to the social structure.

But that's another conversation.

[Daliman]

[ QUOTE ]
So basically, he sucks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, stupid as this may sound, not really.

I consider him with the standard group of sort of successful loose-aggressive/never fold any pair/ raise any pair/king/suited types that can do well at times in extreme shorthanded conditions. Now, I havent specifically seen the telecast, but I read his account of it, and I guess the board was something like JT2, he bet after reraising preflop, was raised on flop, and he went allin with his 88, and won the pot vs A5. Seems like a brilliant read, but I can tell you right now that a nuclear bomb could have gone off and he would not have folded that 88 unless the flop came AKQ all spades and him with no spade. It's just how he plays. It has its strengths and weaknesses.
I'm VERY picky on who i consider good players in my notes, and the main problem my notes have is that i generally take them with ring or no less than 5 handed in mind. I know alot of people on UB who i take notes as bad players that CRUSH 2-3 handed at the 30-60 level and above. I consider this a flaw in MY judgment, as I am not quite far along in my poker knowledge to understand calling a turn check raise with a king or ace high pair draw vs a tight aggressive player, yet I see it all the time in the 30-60 game. My only guesses at this point are that they either are playing at limits that don't mean much to them, or are looking to outplay on river. One this I DEFINITLEY notice that makes this style $$$ though; they NEVER slowplay.
Funny aside to all this; I recently found out that one of the 30/60 players I had noted as bad loose aggressive was Humberto Brenes /images/graemlins/blush.gif

But I feel better about the pokertracker results....
(Brenes) vs PokerDali: PokerDali + 1163 /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Knockwurst]

After reading this thread I hate these guys and I haven't even seen the ESPN telecast yet. But I have to agree with Dagrims, aren't there more appropriate epithets for these guys such as smegma-slurping, sphincter-sucking, discharge-gobbling shitebags?

[MaxPower]

Yeah but he is 23 years old and he is already as good as anyone (according to him)

For more on Fischman see this post (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=765151&page=&view=&sb=5&o =&fpart=1&vc=1)

[Dominic]

I think the term "gay," when used as an insult means "unmanly" and not necessarily "homosexual." It's evolved from a 1970s insult that DID mean "you;re a homo," i.e., less than a man, to an all-encompassing insult for "you are not a man." Sort of like the words "tool," "bitch," and even "nigger" have changed from their original meaning.

I think for the most part it ha nothing to do with sexual preference anymore.

[cassise]

Why hasn't ESPN told the story about Dutch's failed website? I think viewers would find it interesting, especially if they show footage from when him and Howard played at the same table. It wouldn't be as good as the Sam Grizzle Phil B!tch table from last year, but it would be the same concept.

Also, I hope somebody just beats the crap out of Boyd, he has it comming.

What do you think Eric Lindgren (spelling?) and Phil Ivey and their friends think of Boyd's crew claiming to be a bunch of young friends that will take the poker world by story.

I'd say Ivey and his group fit the same bill except they have been more successfull at poker and haven't resorted to homo-erotic activities to entertain themselves in their spare time.

[cassise]

A post about how much people hate you gets 100+ replies.

That it a number usually reserved for crap like "party poker is fixed" and "how to play KK preflop."

[cferejohn]

[ QUOTE ]

Also, I hope somebody just beats the crap out of Boyd, he has it comming.

What do you think Eric Lindgren (spelling?) and Phil Ivey and their friends think of Boyd's crew claiming to be a bunch of young friends that will take the poker world by story.

I'd say Ivey and his group fit the same bill except they have been more successfull at poker and haven't resorted to homo-erotic activities to entertain themselves in their spare time.

[/ QUOTE ]

Jesus, lay off the gay bashing OK? I'll accept that calling something/someone "gay" doesn't really have sexual connotations anymore, but this is crossing the line.

I don't really know, but I would guess that Ivey, at least could care less. He doesn't really seem to go out of his way to get his face or voice on camera, and seems happy just playing winning poker.

[pokerstudAA]

I would probably jump up and down if I was winning the WSOP. Nothing wrong with that. If someone wants to start a poker cult I might think about it. However, I wont move into a frat house with a bunch of dudes. I did that in college and promised myself never again. Except we were not a frat but we drank like one. And did not play poker we played foosball and chased chickys around. Has anyone seen me on the 2001 World Series of Foosball? I kicked ass. All my homeys were yelling and giving me high fives when I bounced the lucky shot off the celing and into the goal!

[Muck off]

i couldnt believe my eyes on that segment, i wanted to beat them all about the face with bricks...worst attitude ever at the table also.. phil helmuth should be an honerary member.

[ColeW123]

[ QUOTE ]
massive tools.....sounds like an Ali G reference. How great is that show?

[/ QUOTE ]
that show is amazing, but yeah they were both tools. heh

[Sloats]

I thought they looked familiar. This was them 5 years ago, right:
http://www.tapercities.com/Phishpond/pernads/Icy_Hot_Stuntaz%20copy.gif


And if no one here gets this reference, I'm sorry.

[Rushmore]

I get literally close to actually gagging when I see a picture like this. I also get an actual chill, and that adrenaline feeling you get in your gut when you're about to get in a fight.

Please tell me it's not real. Please.

[Rushmore]

OK. I went to the site.

It's obviously a joke, thank God.

Damn. I was gettin ready to go off, maybe pop a cap in someone's ass, uh, yo.

[Sloats]

Remember how Dutch Boyd always had to be on the phone in the segment:

http://www.icyhotstunta.com/Phone_Call.jpg



As for the legitimacy...it's unknown. I don't think they has the intelligence of the worlds most famous Sicilian (Inconceivable!) to do a double revense sarcastic joke. I think they thought this was cool.

The one thing that I do know is one of the kids was a member of his high school tennis team in '98.

[Sloats]

I think what happend was these kids did these pictures and the internet went nutz around them; the next AYBABTU. There were MULTIPLE sites around them. These pictures first appeared on car messageboards.

[BarronVangorToth]

[ QUOTE ]
Everyone on the 2+2 forum, please repeat with me:

"I will never, EVER, lie down on the table when I win a tournament."

Absolutely classless. Shake your opponent's hand and go have a beer.

I honestly believe they showed Boyd's face more than Awada when the game got short handed. Why does ESPN think we want to see this guy? Are they that enamoured with his "chip tricks"?

[/ QUOTE ]


I know precisely why they put him on TV. A number of female friends that I have absolutely LOVED him when they saw him last year. In fact, on at least three occasions, when people at parties have found out that I play poker, I've been asked if I have ever met...

Dutch Boyd.

I kid you not.

The ladies like him, apparently.

That, or me and my buddies hold zero interest in them -- even less than Dutch Boyd. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Oh, well.

Maybe someday I'll get the chance to meet him.

hehehehe


Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com (http://www.BarronVangorToth.com)

[luckycharms]

HAHAHAHAAHA

PERFECT

[theBruiser500]

"If it weren't for that nice quiet young English guy who won one of the earlier WSOP events shown, I would begin to think that all poker players under 30 are a generation of moronic self-congratulatory scum. "

I liked Vogyl a lot, it was nice to seem someone with composure and humility win for once.

[Triumph36]

Did anyone notice that when Hellmuth exited the tournament Fischman went on to win, he said to him "Enjoy risking your chips on a 2 1/2 to 1 underdog." Isn't this pretty much what he did by moving in with that AK against Awada's pocket fives?

[Desdia72]

[ QUOTE ]
let me be the first to say i laughed hysterically at this segment and can't wait to watch it again!

[/ QUOTE ]

let me say this, not taking anything away from Gank and Scott's accomplishments at the WSOP, but i'm tired of hearing about them [The Crew]. who cares if they vow and DO actually take over the poker world? i'd rather watch Barry Greenstein or Ted Forrest rip up the green felt instead.

[West]

Yes, but when he moved in, it's possible that A) He's winning anyway (he wasn't) and B) That a hand which is beating him (such as pocket fives) will fold (negative again). If he knew for a fact that Awada had a pair and was going to call, he wouldn't risk his chips, but of course he was betting that wasn't the case.

[Scorpion]

I like the title of this thread and it has so many views that it is flaming!!!!!!! Kind of ironic huh?

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
Did anyone notice that when Hellmuth exited the tournament Fischman went on to win, he said to him "Enjoy risking your chips on a 2 1/2 to 1 underdog." Isn't this pretty much what he did by moving in with that AK against Awada's pocket fives?

[/ QUOTE ]

no, because hellmuth can justify his play, and awada cannot justify his call.

or at least this is how phil will see it.

[Rushmore]

I am happy that someone had some idea what I was talking about.

Thank you.

[Triumph36]

I forget if anyone addressed this, but I'm not going to re-read the whole thread.

What hands is Fischman going to push out of that pot that call a re-raise pre-flop?

He's going to push out hands he has dominated anyway with his ace king. What else would Awada call his pre-flop raise with? A pocket pair, ace high, or king high.

And if Fischman did have a huge hand like pocket kings or aces, shouldn't he have given Awada a free card to make a bluff at the pot?

I don't think it's a good move. It looks like an overaggressive steal. Fischman was scared that his great starting hand would evaporate into nothing if he checked and Awada bet.

A check raise might have looked a lot better. But since ESPN doesn't give the stack sizes, it's unclear whether Awada was pot committed if he bet.

[RowdyZ]

[ QUOTE ]


no, because hellmuth can justify his play, and awada cannot justify his call.

or at least this is how phil will see it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Phil Hellmuth can justify ANYTHNG in his own mind and often does.

[West]

Well I mean, don't you think it's possible to push out what Awada actually had, pocket fives? I don't have any idea now what the raises and stack sizes were though, so it's hard to really analyze it.

[West]

Vogl may have been humble in his interviews, but I thought he acted like kind of an ass at the table.

[oddjob]

although, i have not seen any of these episodes, i did intriguely read almost every one of these posts.

i'm surprised no one has brought up this point. for whatever reason this crew acts the way they do... it's working.

they have people talking about them. some people (especially young arrogant kids, who are making their living doing something we all dream about) get off on attention, no matter how it comes. in this case, obviously negative.

and it makes for entertaining poker. you guys are already proving this, by the length of this post.

sometimes having a villain or villains is good for the interest of the game. how many of you are going to watch them again to see them get beat? probably most, if not all.

i just finished watching the 1st season WPT, and although it was interesting, i was a bit bored. everyone for the most part just acted the grown up, and played cards. at first i was baffled and annoyed at people's bad calls or raises, but then when everyone plays super well, it's kinda boring IMO. i missed someone going all in with an under pair, or making a horrible raise. the most entertaining guy was the austratlian guy (i think) who was talking trash the whole time, at the france WPT.

another point we have to apppreciate about these guys is, they'll probably make horrible players out of many many new young people. good for us, good for the game.

in fact, all this talk makes me want to see for myself how these assclowns act and play.

damn i wish i wasn't too cheap for cable now.

[West]

I just wanted to point out, for anyone reading this thread who is not familiar with why so many people dislike Dutch Boyd, here is a link to his own explanation regarding the poker site he was involved in running, Pokerspot:

Dutch Boyd FAQ (http://http://www.rakefree.com/faq.htm)

Obviously I have no idea to what degree he is telling the truth, but if he is telling the truth, then I think he gets somewhat of a bad rap. Of course, I completely understand why anyone who got screwed out of money that they had deposited with Pokerspot would be mad as hell; I would be too.

I think the Crew are a bunch of young guys who are very good poker players, and who have grown very confident in their abilities as they've had more and more success. Scott Fischman came off looking classless, but I don't look for that to necessarily be indicative of the whole Crew. Of course, when you talk about "taking over the poker world" (and then when you back up some of your big talk with big success), then you've put a big bullseye on your chest. Like you say, it's probably good for the poularity of the game.

Main Event TV Spoiler (well, not really a spoiler, but):









Look for Annie Duke and Gank of the Crew to get in an argument that results in the floor being called.

[MTScupper]

post of the thread

"Douche Boyd"

I can take these guys or leave them. Fischman got lucky, and the "self nicknaming" is f'ing hilarious.

My favorite part was his arrogant posturing of being "the best in the world" and that he could "take anyone heads up" - only to get o\/\/ned by Awata. Then he sucks him out with a 5 outer. I hated that.

Anyone else hate that just by looking at the chipstacks, and knowing there's only 5 minutes left in an episode that it's obvious who's gonna win?

[daryn]

most people know who wins anyway

[cassise]

knowing who is gonna win the final hand isnt as bad as knowing that any had (other than the first hand and the first heads up hand) is going to either be 1. and all in, 2. a monster bluff, 3. a moster pot where a bluff gets called or two players catch massive hands.

[deacsoft]

lmao

[deacsoft]

I hate to say it but...

If there is any intelligence in the crew (which has been proven there is) and if they have any clue how to play poker (which they have also proven they do) they very well could become a bunch rising stars in the poker world. Gay or not. Spending all that time learning from each others expierences and mistakes could improve their play rapidly. ESPN, of course, is blowing it up because some one there thinks that a story like that makes for good T.V. Maybe. Maybe not. I'm just trying to look at this from a stand point of logic, and leave all personal opinions aside.

There is/was a "Rat Pack of Poker" of the same concept. Members include(d) Phil Ivey and Eric Lindgen.

(this post has realy made me laugh though /images/graemlins/smile.gif)

[Stew]

[ QUOTE ]
I hate to say it but...

If there is any intelligence in the crew (which has been proven there is) and if they have any clue how to play poker (which they have also proven they do) they very well could become a bunch rising stars in the poker world. Gay or not. Spending all that time learning from each others expierences and mistakes could improve their play rapidly. ESPN, of course, is blowing it up because some one there thinks that a story like that makes for good T.V. Maybe. Maybe not. I'm just trying to look at this from a stand point of logic, and leave all personal opinions aside.

There is/was a "Rat Pack of Poker" of the same concept. Members include(d) Phil Ivey and Eric Lindgen.

(this post has realy made me laugh though /images/graemlins/smile.gif)

[/ QUOTE ]

WTF are you talking about in reference to Ivey and Lindgren, LOL.

[deacsoft]

[ QUOTE ]
WTF are you talking about in reference to Ivey and Lindgren, LOL.

[/ QUOTE ]

You, seriously, don't know?

[daryn]

just say it already /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Zaebos]

I think D&D needs to be left out. Your gonna piss off some dungeon masters.

[deacsoft]

There is another group of poker players out there that are refered to as "The Rat Pack of Poker" (a name that they did NOT give themselves). They get together and discusspoker strategy and teach each other so that they may all become better players. They share experiences and lessons learned. So, in a sense, I imagine it's not all that different than what "The Crew" is doing only "The Rat Pack" doesn't do it every day because they are all accomplished players already (and I'm guessing no circle jerking is going on in the rat pack). Members are said to include... Phil Ivey, Eric Lindgren, Daniel Negreanu, Mike Matusow, Ted Forrest, John Juanda, and possibly a few others. I don't know about you guys but I'd love to get in to that study group. I think it was even mentioned once on WPT.

[Jwasnock]

I prefer to record the shows and watch them to avoid knowing that there is exactly 2 minutes left and this is going to be the final hand.

[2005]

I played with Scott Fischman for a TV show we were doing for the History Channel and he was a pretty nice guy. Of course, this was a group of accomplished players... him, myself, Evelyn Ng, Robert Williamson, Clonie(well, she's not so good), 3 spare "Crew" members, and the host of the show. Also, he was probably hamming it up for the tv cameras, but, like I said, he was very nice and easy going.

Gavin Griffin

p.s. Let me just mention though, that I thought the segment they did on "The Crew" was gay, but the 3 main members, Dutch, Gank, and Scott, are good players and they are getting tons of exposure. You can't argue with 3 bracelets and a 2nd place finish.

[bones]

The crew returns.

Dorks.

[jwvdcw]

[ QUOTE ]
The crew returns.

Dorks.

[/ QUOTE ]

can't stand it.

[Toaster]

We're more then friends... we're the crew.

[vulturesrow]

In boyds defense, he showed a fair amount of class in the razz final.

[steelpen3]

i just bought the domain name www.thecrewisgay.com (http://www.thecrewisgay.com)
so check it after labor day,things should be going by then
and if anybody has ideas let me know,also i would love to have the crew find out about this.....RJ

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
i just bought the domain name www.thecrewisgay.com (http://www.thecrewisgay.com)
so check it after labor day,things should be going by then
and if anybody has ideas let me know,also i would love to have the crew find out about this.....RJ

[/ QUOTE ]

that is [censored] funny.... haha

[Beef]

Hey, aren't we supposed to be improving *our* games?

Dutch has a girlfriend, I've talked to her, him, both are very nice and down to earth. Dutch and the crew gets a ton of attention, they can go over the top, but at 23 years old, didn't you go over the top at least once, somehow? Wouldn't that possibility increase if you won a WSOP bracelet?

Hey, you all have your own opinions, and I like almost everyone I've talked to here, but 15 pages of hateful comments probably is the biggest waste of a thread on 2+2 ever.

The crew help each other improve their skills. Whether or not you think they have a scrap of skill, they have something to show for it. Gank on UB is Brett J. He won a tourney the other night. Sometimes cocky, but someone wrote something really harsh and uncalled for on the table and Brett politely asked that the inappropriate comments stop. He has class, even if "Gank owns" is cheesy.

I'd rather watch Fischman lay on a table any day that watch Hellmuth whine or Matusow insult other players.

Later!